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Hutton's 'The Swordsman'?

Postby admin » 03 Aug 2006 10:51

Is anyone familiar with this?:

THE SWORDSMAN: A MANUAL OF FENCE AND THE DEFENCE AGAINST AN UNCIVILISED ENEMY by Capt.A.Hutton (1898)

I have never actually heard of this particular work of Hutton's before - you can get a facsimile of it from these guys:
http://www.naval-military-press.com
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Postby the_last_alive » 03 Aug 2006 10:52

Never heard of it, i'm friggin' curious though
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Postby admin » 03 Aug 2006 10:52

They also do:

FIXED BAYONETS - A Complete System of Fence for the British Magazine Rifle.
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Postby the_last_alive » 03 Aug 2006 10:55

COMPLETE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF FENCING AND DUELLING, AS PRACTISED BY ALL EUROPEAN NATIONS FROM THE MIDDLE AGES TO THE PRESENT DAY
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A wide-ranging bibliography whose coverage extends beyond fencing and duelling to daggers, bayonets, battleaxes “and all other non-ballistic weapons held in the hands for the art of self-defence”. Pages 433-538 are “Notes on duelling, fencing and the sword, culled from the Press during the past few years”. Extensively indexed; approximately 4000 entries.
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The standard work with a classified index, in chronological order, according to languages, illustrated with numerous portraits of ancient and modern Masters of the Art,also title-pages and frontispieces of some of the earliest work



Any body know anything about this?
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Postby the_last_alive » 03 Aug 2006 10:56

I presume people know about Hutton's Bayonet work?

They have it for sale on that site.
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Postby admin » 03 Aug 2006 10:56

They also sell:

HISTORY OF DUELLING (1841)
J G Millington


The history of dueling and famous duels. Includes over 100 accounts of duels including that between the Duke of Wellington and the Earl of Winchelsea.
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Postby admin » 03 Aug 2006 10:57

the_last_alive wrote:
COMPLETE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF FENCING AND DUELLING, AS PRACTISED BY ALL EUROPEAN NATIONS FROM THE MIDDLE AGES TO THE PRESENT DAY
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A wide-ranging bibliography whose coverage extends beyond fencing and duelling to daggers, bayonets, battleaxes “and all other non-ballistic weapons held in the hands for the art of self-defence”. Pages 433-538 are “Notes on duelling, fencing and the sword, culled from the Press during the past few years”. Extensively indexed; approximately 4000 entries.
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The standard work with a classified index, in chronological order, according to languages, illustrated with numerous portraits of ancient and modern Masters of the Art,also title-pages and frontispieces of some of the earliest work



Any body know anything about this?


Yes, it's Thimm's work - quite well known. Worth checking out.
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Postby the_last_alive » 03 Aug 2006 10:58

I hate being broke, there are a few books there that i wouldn't mind...
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Postby admin » 03 Aug 2006 11:03

And:

THEORY AND PRACTICE OF FENCING (1780)
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The theory and practice of fencing in 1780 with plentiful illustration. A good basic source for fencing terms and methods.
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The full title of this excellent book is “The Army and Navy Gentlemen’s Companion or A New and Complete Treatise on the Theory and Practice of Fencing’ which says all that is really needed in any title. The book is divide into three parts. The first deals with the basics of the Guard, simple parades and thrusts, together with how to hold a sword or foil, and the performance of simple manoeuvres and movements. The second part concerns counter parades, counter disengagements, feints and glizades, and the final part of the book looks at assaults and attacks in general. Like many books of the period it was meant to be both introduction to the subject and a guide to the intricacies of fencing, so that the middle class could gain an insight, and even experience, of the art of fencing, regarded as a gentleman’s sport as well as a method of fighting battle. The book is well illustrated and clearly written, making it a first class source for fencing knowledge, as well as being a publication of its time, and worth reading for that alone.

Author:
J Mc Arthur of the Royal Navy
Format:
SB 159pp,19 drawings (full page) 2004 N&MP Reprint of 1780 Original Edition
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Postby Abomination » 03 Aug 2006 11:08

admin wrote:They also do:

FIXED BAYONETS - A Complete System of Fence for the British Magazine Rifle.


Got that, Scanning it & making it legable for the Schola site, (like I did for the Burton one) is on my to do list, but it's quite a lot longer.
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Postby admin » 03 Aug 2006 11:12

BRIEF DISPLAY OF THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF ORDEALS; (AND A HISTORY OF DUELS)
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An early (1821) history of famous duels as well as ordeals, Courts of Chivalry etc. Gives important information unavailable elsewhere.
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This rare and splendidly reproduced book is a companion volume to Millington’s ‘History of Duelling’, and gives further insight into the history of the duel. The historical examination begins by looking at the origin and history of ordeals around the world, and the parallel development of the trial by single combat, which then developed into the duel. It also gives details of the civil right in the Middle Ages to claim the right to trial by single combat and the similar right in criminal law, whereby the accused could challenge the accuser to stand and fight, the winner being in the right legally.
The Court of Chivalry or Honour is described with its function and status in history, important in understanding the ethos surrounding these curious practices.
There is also a listing of no fewer that 172 famous duels, giving further details supplementing those in Millington, as well as the facts about other duels. This is a book which should not be missed by the enthusiast for duels, sword-fighting and the history of ordeals, chivalry and honour.

Author:
James P. Gilchrist
Format:
SB xliii+308pp. 2004 N&MP Reprint of 1821 Original Edition


ISBN:
1843428547

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Postby Abomination » 03 Aug 2006 11:13

the_last_alive wrote:I hate being broke, there are a few books there that i wouldn't mind...


Try looking at the Royal Armouries they hold a huge amount of treatise & will send you copies of them for the price of the postage & copying.
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Postby Paul » 04 Aug 2006 06:32

What's the "culled from the Press" bit about?

Was it not done to write about swordsmanship (in the broadest sense) for a while?
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Postby admin » 04 Aug 2006 09:24

It means accounts of duels taken from press articles (eg. newspapers).
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Postby Abomination » 07 Aug 2006 08:03

Matt, I've completed Bayonet fencing & sword Practice - 1882. I'll e-mail it across to you later on. I'll start Scanning Fixed bayonets today as I'm at home while they fit a new boiler.
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Postby admin » 07 Aug 2006 09:13

Sweet :lol:.
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Postby J Marwood » 07 Aug 2006 14:58

Abomination wrote:while they fit a new boiler.


So Sharon finally got fed up eh ? ;)
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Postby Gerald Cavey » 07 Aug 2006 15:52

admin wrote:And:

THEORY AND PRACTICE OF FENCING (1780)
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The theory and practice of fencing in 1780 with plentiful illustration. A good basic source for fencing terms and methods.
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The full title of this excellent book is “The Army and Navy Gentlemen’s Companion or A New and Complete Treatise on the Theory and Practice of Fencing’ which says all that is really needed in any title. The book is divide into three parts. The first deals with the basics of the Guard, simple parades and thrusts, together with how to hold a sword or foil, and the performance of simple manoeuvres and movements. The second part concerns counter parades, counter disengagements, feints and glizades, and the final part of the book looks at assaults and attacks in general. Like many books of the period it was meant to be both introduction to the subject and a guide to the intricacies of fencing, so that the middle class could gain an insight, and even experience, of the art of fencing, regarded as a gentleman’s sport as well as a method of fighting battle. The book is well illustrated and clearly written, making it a first class source for fencing knowledge, as well as being a publication of its time, and worth reading for that alone.

Author:
J Mc Arthur of the Royal Navy
Format:
SB 159pp,19 drawings (full page) 2004 N&MP Reprint of 1780 Original Edition


Yes even I've heard of that, Aylward mentions it in his "The English Master at Arms from the Twelfth to the Twentieth Century" and shows some of the illustrations. I think he mentions it in "The smallsword in England " too.
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Postby Abomination » 07 Aug 2006 16:08

J Marwood wrote:
Abomination wrote:while they fit a new boiler.


So Sharon finally got fed up eh ? ;)


I certainly have. The Plumber said he'd be here at 8am. After a few phone calls he finally turned up at 3.45 pm. He then announced it was "too late to start" So I've wasted a days leave for nothing. :x

Aside from getting a whole lot of Hutton Scanned & laid out properly. :?
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