John H wrote:
Seems Starzewski calls it 'Szosta' - the sixth, so that's close to what knirirr's finding as well. I can't recall seeing it in Angelo or Roworth/Taylor, so I do not think it is in many military systems, if I have time i'll double check those two (having time is doubtful though until later tonight.)
IIRC it's also in Italian systems, perhaps Chris will have better insight, or after I get home I can check.
Ulrich von L...n wrote:
85 or 86?
admin wrote:I'm sure this is mentioned somewhere in Cold Steel isn't it?
It's otherwise known in British sources as the 'Sword arm protect'. I'm not a fan, personally.
Chris Holzman wrote:What is this image from?
Chris Holzman wrote:... and 50 or 60 years later a lot of authors simply say that 6th is for teaching only, not for bouting. They also tend to omit the 7th parry altogether.
Ulrich von L...n wrote:Chris Holzman wrote:What is this image from?
From Laszlo Gerentser's book.
Fig 85 is "szekszt" (in Franco-Hungarian) 6th, Fig 86 is "szeptim", 7h parry.
He wrote that 6th was categorised as emergency parry in the older fencing systems (my coach calls it master parry). As for 7h Gerentser stated that it was rarely used, mainly after your opponent made 4th parry + outside face ripost (external cheek as you wrote).
Chris Holzman wrote:As a note for others - 86, or 7th parry is being depicted at the moment of impact of the two blades. Most illustrations (including Del Frate's, in my book) show the moment of release, when the blade is pointing vertically downward. Impact is here, as in 86 above, and you yield to the pressure while slowing the opponent's blade, until you're pointing downward. Riposte uses that yield to power the molinello to the external head or cheek.
Ulrich von L...n wrote:It is interesting to know new details about these old guards, but at the moment I am trying to be efficient with the basic 3rd-4th-5th (triangular) guarding system, explore the possibilities of the linear (1st-2nd-5th) system. Despite the fact that the sport sabre does not encourage the usage of other guards, 6th is a very intuitive guard.
In another thread it has been mentioned by a sport fencer (Gav) that molinellos are useless, because they telegraph your intention too much. A molinello from a yielding guard could be a nice & fast thing. Just a conjecture.
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