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Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 10:58

Swords in the British Army (and most other Western European armies) in the 19thC were issued blunt. The idea was that this would reduce maintenance and increase safety whilst not at war - upon hostilities the order was issued to 'sharpen swords' (this order was famously given at the beginning of WW1, I believe for the last time in British history).

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This sharpening was normally done within the regiment, by the armourer (often a Sergeant). However, as far as I can establish, there was no standard method of sharpening, and as a result (and of complete lack of sharpening) it seems that British soldiers often went into battle with unsharpened or poorly sharpened weapons. Adding to this problem, most British regulation swords were carried in steel scabbards, which helped to blunted even the best sharpened swords. This was mitigated to some degree by making the throats of some scabbards (where the edge rubbed the most) out of 'German silver' (like pewter), which was fairly soft, or by having wood or leather fitted inside the scabbard. In India some cavalry officers adopted leather-covered wooden scabbards and eventually these became standard issue.

The lack of attention to sharpening, coupled with scabbards which blunted egdes, led to the impression in some quaters that British swords were feeble in offence (compared to tulwars or other swords), and may also have helped lead to a preference of using the thrust (as even a blunt-edged sword would execute a thrust effectively). In fact, when British swords were kept sharp they often performed sterling service, removing heads and limbs, just like the feared tulwar. Surgeons who attented the field of Balaclava in 1854 reported hundreds of sword wounds.

Some officers ensured they had the best 'fighting swords' (often as a second sword - besides their regulation sword) by going to a quality manufacturer (like Wilkinson, Mole, Thurkle, Reeves, Pillin etc) and requesting special design details, like the patent solid tang, or a different blade section, and that their weapons be factory sharpened and supplied in scabbard that would not blunt them. British officers took many important lessons from Indian soldiers, including looking at how they sharpened their swords.

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Below I will list examples of period text talking about the sharpness of swords, as I come across them.

He is a typical passage where well sharpened tulwars and poorly sharpened regulation swords are compared:

The Hindoostanee dress and equipment would doubtless have been more appropriate and serviceahle to these men during that war, than the uniform and arms of Heavy Dragoons. Chakeos, leather breeches, and jack boots might have been advantageously dispensed with, and a tulwar substituted for the heavy and blunt regulation sabre, whose rattling in the scabbard was to be heard at such a distance, as almost to prevent the probality of a secret movement. The troopers themselves were aware of the uselessness of these weapons, and consequently, made more use of the pistol than the cold steel. On one occasion, during a sharp skirmish, the Serjeant Major of the corps, with a willing heart, a strong arm, and the full sweep of his sword, nearly cut through the neck of a Burmah; the head and trunk retaining their alliance by merely a thin portion of skin. The Subadar-major pointed out this case, as an argument of the superiority of a tulwar. " Here," said he " is a fair cut, made with all the strength of a powerful European; the weakest trooper, with a Hindoostanee dress tulwar, would have severed the head from the body!"

From: The Meerut universal magazine, Volume 1, 1835.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 11:11

In the Sikh war, arms, heads, hands, and legs of British soldiers were lopped off by the enemy on all sides, while English swordsmen laboured often in vain even to draw blood. Yet the Sikhs, as it was found, used chiefly our own cast-off dragoon blades, fitted into new bandies, sharpened until they had a razor edge, and worn in wooden scabbards from which they were never drawn except in action. In such scabbards they were not blunted, and they were noiseless; they made none of that incessant clanking which almost drowns the trumpet or bugle, and quite the word of command, in the ranks of our own cavalry regiments; and which, unless the men wrap nay about the steel, renders any attempt at a surprise by cavalry perfectly absurd. The wooden scabbards, it was found upon inquiry, are even less brittle than steel ones.

A squadron of the third dragoons charged a band of Sikh horsemen under Major Unett. The Sikhs let the squadron enter. A dragoon of the front rank thrust with his sword point at the nearest Sikh. The weapon broke into the skin, but did not' penetrate so far as to do any serious mischief. The Sikh in return struck the dragoon across the mouth and took his head off. A Sikh at Chillianwallah galloped up to the horse artillery, cut down the two first men and attacked the third. He, seeing that his comrades had been unable to save their lives by the use of their blunt swords, left his sword in the scabbard and fought off the assailant with his riding-whip —flogging away the Sikh's horse to keep the fatal arm at a safe distance. So he saved himself.

There can be no doubt that heavy ridingwhips would be more formidable weapons in all warfare than the cavalry swords now in use. It would not indeed be a bad reform if battles were decided only by the thong, and if victory remained literally with the army that could beat the other off the field.

The execution done in battle now is mainly done by fire-arms. Cavalry soldiers in France, Germany, and England, might aa well carry whips as regulation swords. At the battle of Heilsberg, in eighteen hundred and seven, a division of French cuirassiers fought hand to hand with two regiments of Prussian horse. What sort of hacking and hewing they did upon one another may be judged from the fact that one French officer came out of the fray with fifty-two new wounds, safe in life and limb; and that one of the heroes of the fight was a Captain Gebhart, who did not use his sabre but performed prodigies of valour and did great execution with the shaft of a broken lance— in other words, with a big stick—by the power of which he knocked several cuirassiers off their horses.

From: Household words, Volume 8, by Charles Dickens (after Captain Nolan), 1854.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 12:13

This also gives some historical context, as it is the age-old British pastime to lament the poor standards of British military equipment, even whilst those items of equipment are being used successfully by soldiers across the globe:

In all our establishments, civil and military, the main end is lost sight of, and the means belonging to it accordingly neglected. To any reasonable creature it would seem, a priori, that the arms of the soldier were of the first importance ; but we know that the arms of our soldiers are the things of all others the least thought of, and the most neglected. The light dragoon and hussar sabres are notoriously unserviceable weapons, as is also the regulation sword of infantry officers. The sabres, however, though bad for cutting and slaying, the object of soldiering, is best for show, an incidental circumstance of soldiering; and the means for the incidental circumstance are, of course, preferred to- the means for the end. The muskets of our infantry are of the same clumsy description that they have been of for years past, though the art of gun-making has so extremely improved; but though no attempt has been made to put a better weapon into the soldier's hand, infinite pains have been taken to arrive at the just cut of his coat, and to finish it with the exact number of buttons which the most scrupulous sartorial taste requires. From the army, turn to the navy, and observe in a ship of war the very last thing which lords of the Admiralty consider and lay stress upon—its armament, and the practice of the men at the great guns. The object of ships of war is to fight, or to be in a condition to fight, to the best advantage; but the best means of fighting is a matter of such inferior moment, that a thought, much less a direction, is not wasted on it. Skill in the use of great guns must be supposed, like Dogberry's reading and writing, to come by nature; or else they think at the Admiralty, that it is of no kind of consequence whether it is possessed or not. Captains may, if they please to take the trouble, train their crews to markmanship, and many do so, but it is a matter of choice, not of obligation and duty, with them ; and the rulers of the navy do not concern themselves to ascertain what degree of skill the people of different ships may have in the use of their arms. The matter is left to a vague general order, or in effect to chance. The set of an officer's cocked hat and the seam of his trousers, is a worthier subject for direction, and distinct and arbitrary regulation.


From: The London Magazine - 1828
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 12:22

The sword—here is another curious anomaly. We export hardware to every country in the world; no foreigner likes to carve his meat, or mend his pen, except with a Sheffield blade. We make the only razors that can shave, and yet we supply our cavalry with swords warranted not to cut. Captain Nolan says, the edges are all blunted by the steel scabbards; and it would be as difficult to gainsay this assertion, as it is easy to provide the remedy. These steel scabbards, also, make a perpetual jingling on a march, giving timely notice of the approach of the wearers, and would alone render the night surprise of an out-picket impossible, if such an attempt was in contemplation. Neither are our men sufficiently drilled in the use of the weapon they have to trust to, such as it is. In this laborious exercise, the French and Germans are more practised than we are, although we have made some rapid advances since the war. Formerly, not one in one hundred, either officer or soldier, could fence. In the infantry, the old regulation sword, or spit, as it was familiarly called, was equally impotent to cut or thrust. Angelo himself could have done nothing with it.*

From: The Dublin university magazine -1854.

* This may specifically refer to the 1822 pattern pipe-backed blade, which was replaced after 1847 by the Wilkinson style fullered blade.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 14:59

And now I must conclude. Not, however, it strikes me, without informing you what the one-eyed thinks of my grandfather's old regulation sword. He went into fits over it. Vowed that' Shums' itself, to wit Damascus, never forged such a blade. He has ground it and set it to such an edge that I could literally shave with it, had I not long since discarded that effeminate custom. He has made a wonderful wooden scabbard for it, soft ' shammy' leather within, and red velvet without. But for the handle no man on earth would assign a ' regulation ' origin to it.

From: The Living Age: Volume 71, 1861.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 15:19

Among other places I sought out the spot where poor Bradshaw fell. He was shot through the heart and fell dead while leading on his men to take a gun. Just before this charge, he had cut off a Sepoy's head with his regulation sword at one clean sweep. It is the only case of the kind on record during the siege. He was very much liked by every body who knew him

From: Sketches of celebrated Canadians, by Henry James Morgan, 1862.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 18 Apr 2011 15:25

Both Napiers were men of great knowledge and expertese:

To arm Cavalry Sepoys [Indian native cavalry] with heavy English swords of one weight, one shape, one length is a mistake. The Indian swordsman's skill is produced by constant practice with a sabre, which gives him a matchless sleight of hand; every Indian horseman should therefore be suffered to purchase his own sabre. It will be what he feels himself best capable of wielding, and impart a moral courage, which the English regulation-sword — hated and despised — deprives him of in an equal degree. In the first case he believes his weapon will make up for his deficiency of strength; in the second, he must suffer for the deficiencies of his weapon.

As to the intrinsic qualities of European and Indian swords respectively, there are finely tempered blades and very badly tempered blades in both; pistols should be replaced by carbines in all regiments; and as a straight sword gives a more desperate drawing-cut than a sabre, while a stab with it is more dangerous than a cut, and a weak man may use it with nearly as much effect as a strong one, it would be well if Indian soldiers looked to the superior qualities of that shaped blade. Marshal Saxe — himself a celebrated swordsman — thought the advantage of thrusting so great, that he proposed arming Cavalry with strong rapiers of a three-cornered shape, like a bayonet, to prevent cutting. The Cavalry steel scabbard is noisy, which is bad; heavy, which is worse; and it destroys the weapon's sharp edge, which is worst. The native wooden scabbard is best.

From: Defects, civil and military, of the Indian government, by Sir Charles James Napier, Sir William Francis Patrick Napier, 1857.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Dithyrambus » 18 Apr 2011 21:58

Well done! :)
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 23 May 2011 14:01

It is very strange how English officers will cry up every weapon but their own, although every soldier knows it to be the best; McMurdo with a good sword would kill half a dozen of these Goorkas, one after another.


From: The life and opinions of General Sir Charles James Napier, G.C.B, by Sir William Francis Patrick Napier, 1857.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Jonathan » 22 Jul 2011 18:04

Great topic, Matt. Looking back at the photo of sharpening with the grindstone reminded me of this old thread at SFI:

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showth ... ght=photos

I mentioned, half seriously, that perhaps improper sharpening methods led to some of the defects which became the 1885 sword scandal. (Namely, that the heat from the grindstone ruined the temper of the blades.) Col. King-Harman of the Indian Staff Corps touches on this in one of his articles/lectures--an excerpt can be seen in the SFI thread.

I intend to photograph the sharpening on some of my swords and I would be happy to post the results in this thread if that is of interest. All are regulation officer's swords except for an Indian scroll hilt (but the blade is of regulation shape).

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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 22 Jul 2011 18:18

Thanks Jonathan - very useful to link these threads together for future referrence. I for one would be very interested in seeing any photos of period sharpening - I have a handful of swords with probable period sharpening as well, of various sorts (some better than others!). I'll see if I can get any photos of good enough quality to show.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 16 Sep 2011 15:12

British swords would not appear so bad as they have been represented. During the operation of sharpening the sabres of the 4th Dragoon Guards at a cutlery establishment in Dublin [prior to embarking for the Crimean War], one of the men, famed for his enormous prowess and excellent swordsmanship, when asked to test the quality of his weapon, drove it, with one downward stroke, into an anvil; nor was the sabre injured in the least degree by this exercise of strength.

From: The Essex Standard - 19 April 1854

This story may need to be taken with a large pinch of salt (encouraging the troops about to go on campaign), but the detail that the swords were sharpened at a local 'cutlery establishment' is interesting I think.

I have also recently read that cavalry swords sharpened for the Crimea Campaign were ordered not to be drawn until action was imminent, so that the edges would remain sharp, and that some of the scabbards were stuffed with straw for the same purpose. I am looking for primary source verification of that.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Ronin » 16 Sep 2011 18:40

Great thread Matt... :D

Where did the photo of the two Sikhs sharpening the swords come from...
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 16 Sep 2011 21:41

India I guess :).
Seriously, I don't know - I was just googling key words and found it.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Jonathan » 17 Sep 2011 02:47

I finally had a chance to take a few photos and my camera died on me. I will do more when I have time. For now I have a few photos of the sharpening on a variant Pattern 1796 Light Cavalry Officer's Sword and a Pattern 1821 Light Cavalry Officer's Sword. I tried to get the light to capture the sharpened bevel on both swords.

First, the variant P1796 LC officer's sword with pipe back blade, c.1814-21. The sharpening starts several inches from the guard--about 4" or so. The bevel is uniform and overall it appears great care was taken in sharpening this blade.

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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Jonathan » 17 Sep 2011 02:58

This P1821 LC officer's sword was made by Wilkinson in 1869 for Alfred Smirke of the 15th Hussars. Smirke saw active service with the 15th Hussars in Afghansitan in 1878-80. The sharpening is not as neat (some of the etching was ruined) as on the previous sword, as if sharpened in haste or by a less practiced hand. Or perhaps the edge on this sword was simply meant to make it a better cutter (more acute angle?) regardless of the damage to the decoration. The edge has taken a lot of damage, perhaps in battle but possibly someone was having a bit too much fun with it in the back yard.

See item 116127 at michaeldlong.com, another P1821 LC sword which belonged to one of Smirke's brother officers, which was probably sharpened by the same hand!

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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby admin » 17 Sep 2011 06:47

Very interesting Jonathan. I think that the general dilemma that Victorian swordsmen seemed to have faced when having their swords sharpened for action was whether to go for a linear sharpening, which would give a very fine edge, but remove a lot of the etching and material from the blade, or a secondary bevel which would in theory not be such a fine edge, but might be more robust and not damage the etching so much.

That Michael d Long example is perhaps the furthest at the former end of the spectrum that I have seen/noted. It looks like a long time has been spent grinding that edge down so that there is no obvious secondary bevel. Even if the secondary bevel was chosen for a sword, I think that with subsequent re-sharpenings 'in the field' this bevel could approach the more linear type of sharpening (via what some people call 'appleseed' form), and hence lead to more damage to the etching.

I wonder in fact if these swords where the sharpening has left gouges and scratches on the flat of the blade are often signs of RE-sharpening, rather than the initial sharpening? I have an example myself - my 1893 Wilkinson artillery sword. Frankly I could have done less damage sharpening that with my eyes shut, but the resulting edge is certainly good enough to do the job. It looks to me like not much care was taken in re-sharpening it, and that the person doing it used a stone/wheel that was too coarse. In contrast I have an 1821 light cavalry sword (from about 1850-1870) which has an amazingly clean and tiny secondary bevel, with no obvious secondary 'touching up' or damage to the etching.

I guess that, as the quote above suggests, when orders were given to 'sharpen swords' prior to a campaign, they simply sent the swords to a local company that sharpened things, and therefore the type of sharpening and quality of service varied greatly (as in the case of Sergeant armourers doing the job themselves). Clearly it wasn't a settles question in the 1880's as to what the best kind of service edge was, because Waite discusses the issue in his manual, saying that he thinks the sturdy edge found on Lead Cutters is best.
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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Jonathan » 12 Oct 2011 18:16

The next sharp example is a Pattern 1827 Rifle Officer's Sword by Wilkinson and proved 10 July 1866. This sword belonged to an officer of the 60th King's Royal Rifle Corps who served with Buller and Wolseley on the Red Rover Expedition (Canada) in 1870, the 2nd Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80, and the 1st Anglo-Boer War (Transvaal Rebellion) in 1881. The sword has been carefully sharpened. It does not have the same wedge shape as the variant P1796 I posted earlier, nor does it have the same more acute and damaging style of sharpening. The sharpening begins ~3 3/4" from the guard. Also of note--the scabbard is completely wood lined so the only metal the edge might touch is the German silver throat.

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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Jonathan » 12 Oct 2011 18:27

Here is another Wilkinson from 1865. This one is a scroll hilt cavalry sword made for an officer of the 16th Bengal Cavalry. Prior to serving with the Bengal Army he was with the 4th Hussars, and then transferred to the7th Hussars with whom he served in the Indian Mutiny. His only other active service before his death in 1875 (possible Cholera) was with the 16th Bengal Cavalry during the Black Mountain (sometimes called 1st Hazara) Expedition of 1868. This sharpening is very siilar to that of the Pattern 1827 Rifle Officer's Sword pictures above, and begins 8 1/2" from the guard. The blade's condition makes it a bit more difficult to capture, but I had a go anyhow. The scabbard is also completely wood lined.

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Re: Regulation sword sharpness

Postby Jonathan » 12 Oct 2011 18:36

The next sword is yet another Wilkinson, but sold in 1876 to an officer of the Bengal Staff Corps--mostly with the 29th Bengal Infantry. He was a long-serving officer who saw active service in the 2nd Anglo-Afghan War (wounded in the buttocks at Peiwar Kotal!), numerous campaigns and expeditions in the North West Frontier ( Hazara expedition, 1st and 2nd Miranzai expeditions, Relief of Chitral, North-West Frontier campaign of 1897-98), and China in 1901 (serving as Major-General). The blade is sharpened like the previous two but it begins 4 1/4" from the guard. The steel scabbard may date to 1895 when the sword was re-hilted with the new steel guard--hard to tell. If it was lined with wood or leather there are no remains.

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