Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

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Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 10 Feb 2011 22:29

Hi all,

A transcription with photos of the illustrations of Siebenhaar's "Handleiding voor het Onderwijs in de Schermkunst" (Manual for the Education in Fencing) can be found on the School voor Historische Schermkunsten website here:

http://www.bruchius.com/docs/Siebenhaar ... %20RvN.pdf

The transciption is of the 3rd improved printing of 1861. The book was first published in 1858.

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…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby admin » 11 Feb 2011 13:13

Great! 8)
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Phil C » 11 Feb 2011 13:31

Nice stuff- one niggle in the intro is that the text clearly deomnstrates foil not duelling sword (what we'd otherwise likely know as an Epee). The two are not synonymous.
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 11 Feb 2011 19:09

Thanks; I'll fix that. (I thought dueling sword and foil were used synonymously back then. It's not really my area of expertise/interest to be honest.)
…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby admin » 12 Feb 2011 09:17

The link is not working now.
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 12 Feb 2011 09:52

That's weird. It does work for me.
…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Postby admin » 12 Feb 2011 10:30

And now it works thanks :)
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 26 Sep 2012 16:12

Google books has the second edition (1858) here:

http://books.google.de/books?id=bm9RAAA ... &q&f=false

My transcription is of the third edition (1861)

There appear to be differences in the text (e.g. intro to "Het Geweer"), and of course the second edition is without plates.

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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Max C. » 04 Oct 2012 15:41

I would be curious to compare the staff and cane to Joinville, if anyone would be willing to translate that part I would be very grateful.
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 04 Oct 2012 16:35

John Jozen of De Zwaardkring was working on an English translation of Siebenhaar. You could try to contact him (I am not sure if he is on this forum, but I know he is in the Bartitsu list).

Unfortunately, I do not expect to have time to translate you this work any time soon. I just don't have time to translate that much right now.
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Max C. » 04 Oct 2012 19:08

No problem, I'll try contacting M. Jozen. Thanks!
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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 21 Oct 2012 10:35

If you want my transcription of Siebenhaar's 3rd edition in print, along with my transcription of his "Wenken en Aanwijzingen", and all illustrations, you can now get that here:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/christiaan-sie ... 61260.html
…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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Re: Handleiding ... Schermkunst - Siebenhaar - 1861

Postby Reinier » 15 Feb 2017 07:24

An English translation of the entire treatise is given in:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/reinier-van-no ... 65956.html
…en A alſoo liggende kan aen B, ſonder eenigh beletſel, met de zijde van ſijn hooft, op het aengeſicht van B, ſoo veel ſtoten als hy begeert. – Nicolaes Petter, 1674.

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