Warrior Tempo 2 Lacrosse Cheapy Gloves

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Warrior Tempo 2 Lacrosse Cheapy Gloves

Postby Nikos » 30 Mar 2009 11:55

These have finally turned up, the cheapy gloves seen here - http://www.uklacrosse.com/tempo-20-i56.html

These are the absolute cheapest available (to us in the UK) lacrosse glove around. Okay, firstly what I do like is yes, they are noticably smaller and more slimline than the Brine gloves, also very comfortable and nice to wear with lovely swede and mesh palm, ventilation is lovely.

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In terms of flexibility, they are awesome, as the wrist doesn't join together, it has a tie cord, so you have the cuff nice and lose and therefore not restrictive at all, they also look really cool and the price is obviously exceptionally good for what they are. So with all that in mind, the only thing to really discuss is protection.

These literally just turned up so haven't been tried in sparring yet, but I have done enough sparring and used enough types of gloves to give a pretty good review already. The brine gloves are built so that ever section of them is plated with presumably a tough plastic plate with padding underneath, which is very effective, these gloves do not have any plates anywhere at all, all protection is provided by high density foams. This means inevitably they are not going to provide as much protection but still provide a lot.

Protection to the back of the hand, wrist and join between thumb and hand are all excellent. Yes that is a ventilation hole in the middle of the back of the hand, either you will have to fill this, or use tipped weapons. Okay onto the finger/thumb protection, obviously the protection is not from overlapping plates like the brines, but it is very closely constructed. The finger and thumb protection is much better than revival kevlar sparring gloves, but not anywhere near as good as the Brine Supercross. Additionally the brine supercrosse have curved plates in on the fingers which wrap partially around the finger sides and tip, a feature not seen with these.

My feelings on these gloves is that they are a big step up from hockey gloves or revival kevlar gloves and similar type stuff. I think as is they are an excellent starting cheap glove, but are not quite good enough for the higher levels of contact steel sparring. I do believe they could be modified and adapted for this purpose though.

Really I only have two reservations about these gloves and therefore two things I would improve to use them for regular heavy steel sparring, that would be the fingers themselves, adding plastic plates to the finger or equivelent, and the tips themselves (including thumb), pad or plate the tips. Lastly i ordered the size 12, same as my Brines, they are a perfect fit for my fairly average medium sized hands, some may want the 13" if they were to add extra protection inside the fingers, maybe not.

In conclusion, these do not replace the role of the Brine gloves, they are an excellent beginners/starting glove for steel sparring and are great for the money, probably also excellent for nylon/plastic sparring, but for regular heavy sparring use, I still haven't found the replacement for the Brines, of which I just ordered 12 pairs for our club members.
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Postby Stevie T » 30 Mar 2009 12:04

COOL!

Just ordered a couple of pairs on Friday so glad to hear they're up to the job.
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Postby admin » 30 Mar 2009 12:21

Excellent. I've just ordered a pair.
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Postby Frede Jensen » 30 Mar 2009 12:27

Could you possibly do a picture where you are gripping a sword?
My initial reaction when i first saw these were that the crossguard might make it hard to grip a sword with these.

Can you put your thumb up on the blade in these?

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Postby Nikos » 30 Mar 2009 12:37

I can do, but not now, I am at work and don't have any swords here, well except rapiers, but that doesn't help. I have tried gripping other things though, all perfect and yes you can twist the thumb around with full motion. As I said, comfort and flexibility etc I don't consider a concern at all on these, only the finger protection just not being quite enough for my liking, depends how hard you fight I suppose though!
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Postby admin » 30 Mar 2009 12:41

Or how much you get hit on the hands. ;)
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Postby Nikos » 30 Mar 2009 12:46

Of course that is true too, but then no matter how good you are, if you are training with steel on a regular basis your going to get hit at some point, and a knuckle or finger tip injury is horrible.
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Postby admin » 30 Mar 2009 13:01

I agree, I've had a broken finger once and it was a pain in the bum.
I'm guessing with these gloves it would be a good idea to stick some cotton wool in the ends of the fingertips.
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Postby Nikos » 30 Mar 2009 13:05

Yeh I have lost three finger nails and had two really horrible knuckle injuries, though none in the last year and a half since I have used improved gloves, the only slip was revival gloves and I stopped using them immediately.

Yes I would recommend stuffing them with something in the tips.
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Postby admin » 29 Apr 2009 12:55

I used these in sparring for the first time last night, with weighted shinai, and they are excellent. They provide more protection than you really need for shinai and would be adequate for nylon/plastic as well IMO. I don't think they really provide quite enough for steel, but I have yet to try them with steel.
What I like about them the most is the excellent grip they give, it feels like you are wearing very thin gloves or none at all - I have far better manipulation with these than with the police riot gloves I have been using for years.
I am now recommending these as standard sparring gloves in SG1.
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Postby Stevie T » 29 Apr 2009 13:00

can't really comment for use with steel but used them for sparring with weighted shinai and they were really nice.

Very light wieght, could still feel the strikes, unlike cricket gloves, and they grip the sword nicely as Matt has said.
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Postby Caz » 29 Apr 2009 13:03

admin wrote:I used these in sparring for the first time last night, with weighted shinai, and they are excellent. They provide more protection than you really need for shinai and would be adequate for nylon/plastic as well IMO. I don't think they really provide quite enough for steel, but I have yet to try them with steel.
What I like about them the most is the excellent grip they give, it feels like you are wearing very thin gloves or none at all - I have far better manipulation with these than with the police riot gloves I have been using for years.
I am now recommending these as standard sparring gloves in SG1.


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Postby admin » 29 Apr 2009 13:08

Yep, they'll be in my bag always from now on. :)
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Postby Motley » 29 Apr 2009 15:16

It's nice to hear goo things about them.

Nickos have you had chance to try them with steel much yet?

I went out to look at lacrosse gloves here the other day and considering Lacrosse is a national sort of Canada there was very little choice!

One thing I did worry about with the ones I did see was that they seemed quite bulky. Have you had much in the way of problems with that?

Some of our guys use broomball gloves http://www.northstarsports.com/index.ph ... &parent=75 I am not sure they are enough and they end up using a bit more protection in the way of leather coverings too.
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Postby Nikos » 29 Apr 2009 15:31

Yeh I have used them, for sword and buckler anyway, not longsword, not happy with them for serious longsword contact due to the absolute tips of the fingers.

These warrior ones are quite slimline which is very nice, they just need a bit of extra protection really. Also that hole on the back of the hand, as sods law would state I got a thrust straight into it.

In terms of the bulkiness of other tougher lacrosse gloves, yeh they are bulky of course, but then I have found few problems with this and nothing smaller that is good enough.

I do however believe these warrior gloves could be modified to be good for steel longsword if one had the time and effort required. Pad the finger tips, maybe plate (with plastic) the fingers, and fill/cover the vent hole.
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Postby admin » 29 Apr 2009 15:40

I agree, they could be modified for steel. Obviously it's always better to find an off-the-shelf option if possible though.
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Postby Motley » 29 Apr 2009 15:45

yeah that's what I am really trying to do. I don't want to end up spending ages making something out of hardend leather.

When I have looked at gloves like this the big problem I see is that there needs to be something hard to distribute the force from the edge of the blade into the padding. May be attaching some kind of thin metal plate/strip to points on a padded glove like this. Not all over but just to catch the blade and distribute the force... Like those chains for arms work (I forget the name now)

Still more work and could end up being too heavy.
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Postby Nikos » 29 Apr 2009 15:53

The reason the Brines work so well is not just because every part of the fingers overlaps and curls around the sides and tips of the fingers, but also because every single part of the glove is plated with a thin and flexible plastic which disapates the energy on impact.

I would recommend getting some kind of plastic sheet and either glueing on or opening up the finger sections and inserting it.

As Matt says though, the issue is being off the shelf, I know for a fact that I am generally too lazy to customise my own kit, as well as the fact that custom can often look a bit rubbish even if you do a good job, so if I am not willing to do it, my students definately won't, and I always like to use kit that they can themselves easily acquire.
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Postby Motley » 29 Apr 2009 16:05

Nikos wrote:The reason the Brines work so well is not just because every part of the fingers overlaps and curls around the sides and tips of the fingers, but also because every single part of the glove is plated with a thin and flexible plastic which disapates the energy on impact.

I would recommend getting some kind of plastic sheet and either glueing on or opening up the finger sections and inserting it.

As Matt says though, the issue is being off the shelf, I know for a fact that I am generally too lazy to customise my own kit, as well as the fact that custom can often look a bit rubbish even if you do a good job, so if I am not willing to do it, my students definately won't, and I always like to use kit that they can themselves easily acquire.


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Postby Motley » 29 Apr 2009 18:27

These are a bit pricey ($185) but they have plastic covers on the finger gaps

http://www.warriorlacrosse.com/gear/glo ... ss-monkey/
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