Jirí Kronák (Fabri Armorum) Marozzo style two handers

[Nikos]

Thats very true, and unfortunately a result of modern manfacturering for the most part as said, I think if this was going to be one of my primary training weapons then I would have been more bothered, but then I would have gone to a more expensive smith and forked out a lot more for it, but considering the type of sword it was a bargain price, so I am happy with them for what they are, and are a massive improvement over the two swords they are replacing.

[Nikos]

Update - Oh s'**t, on further inspection of these two swords we have found that the blades are seriously warped, both are warped badly from the parrying hooks up and mine has a kink in the blade about 8 inches from the point, we haven't used these yet, we were going to take them to training tonight, but on finding this we are leaving them here and will contact Jiri, thing is I am not talking a small bend, I am talking very pronounced, I am getting bored of my experiences with buying and owning swords right now, basically everything that isn't armourclass that I have bought in the last year has had serious faults, flaws or weaknesses, will update when we hear back from Jiri.

[TheDude]

I can confirm that the flaws are obvious when setting the sword down on a flat worktop. There bow on one blade at its highest is around 5-6mm and then about 1/4 from the tip it bends about the same in the other direction. The second swords looks like the blade is sagging from the weight, however, when turned around it is exactly the same, except bent upwards.

This sucks, big-time. Was looking foward to some big sword action.

[admin]

That does indeed suck big time, sorry for you both.

[Hotspur School]

Here's the Marozzo spadone I had custom made, on the design taken exactly from the manual itself, by Paul Macdonald.



Bob

[Hotspur School]

Here's the Marozzo spadone compared to the Hanwei bastard sword and the practical h&h.

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[Nikos]

Jiri finally responded, he basically just said apply pressure, either by hand, or by sticking the blade in the vice, and pull the bend out, what do you all think of this?

Because my opinion is bullshit, you shouldn't be able to put a bend or warp or pull one out of a properly tempered blade, the only time I have found this possible is on hanwei longswords or armourclass rapiers, due to the obviously very thin blade.

Also bear in mind how thick these blades are, he says it can happen in the forging, transport or combat, well it wasn't done in transport clearly, we haven't used them for combat, so its at his end, and also, with a blade like this, it should not be possible to warp the blade in combat, any thoughts?

[Cutlery Penguin]

That was certainly an eye-opening feature for me of several of the swords at the Wallace - a lot of thickness at the top of the blade that would be difficult to reproduce with stock removal, tapering dramatically over a few inches then a more gradual distal taper for the length of the blade.

I found the measurements I took recently. I'm gonna try to get them online soon...

[Fab]

well it wasn't done in transport clearly

How can you be sure of that ?


I'll try to re-check on those I have available at hand (probalby not until June), but a slight bend in original large two handers would not surprise me much.


And you can bend a quenched and tempered blade. It depends of course on the steel used and the HT details. Shallow-quenching steels can still have a full-unhardened core, especially on thick profiles, which can take a bend.

[Nikos]

I can be sure of it because of the packaging, theres no way in hell it could have been done there, and yes, I appreciate a slight bend is possible particularly with these length blades, but not of this level, also bear in mind that these aren't huge swords, they are large certainly, but the blades are only 39" on them.