Darkwood Rapier Double 3 ring with recurved quillons

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Darkwood Rapier Double 3 ring with recurved quillons

Postby Nikos » 31 Mar 2008 12:45

Ok, just collected this from Parcel force, so it hasn't been used yet, I shall use it for teaching on Wednesday but it won't get a rigourous test until our Friday session. Now, I am going to be ruthlessly honest with this review, because I think thats the best way for it to be useful:

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Spec:

Blade from edge of guard to tip - just under 40"
Weight: - 1.15kg
Pob - just under 2" from guard

First Impressions:

When taking it out of the box my first impression was that it wasn't that shiny, more like a Del Tin than say an armourclass, and I am not overly fond of the plain wooden grip, but have no fear, I knew it would have that grip, I already had planned to redo it myself, and I can easily buff it up a bit too. The fit isn't perfect, in terms of the alignment between blade, quillon and grip, but thats not to say it isn't solid, it feels totally rock solid, and this is a minor thing.

Handling:

Very nice indeed, its very much like a Del Tin Rapier, it had a rubber tip on it, I oulled that off and the actual tip is a little rough, but normally rapiers come pointy, so I am used to having to tidy that up a bit.

Blade:

At just under 40" its a great length, and far better than AC's standard 37 for what I do, its also a little lighter than the AC blades. I think the stiffness is perfect, its not too stiff that it will be dangerous but neither does it have any of the wobbling and whippy problems with a hanwei of the same length. Again, its slightly dulled like a Del Tin, I would like it to be a bit shinier.

My General Feelings:

Its not finished as nicely as an armourclass, which considering it cost a little more, even with the strong British pound, is a shame, in terms of alighment, polish level and the grip. In many respects its like a slightly plain Del Tin, yet when you think about it, its a lot cheaper than a Del Tin, from my observations it also looks a lot stronger and held together than a Del Tin, I do not expect it will have any of the losening or ratling problems associated with DT. The blade is superior to an AC in terms of length and weight too, which means it picks up on the weaknesses of both AC and DT IMO. Including duties and shipping it cost £252, little more than an armourclass, and a lot less than a DT.

My objections to this sword are because I am being really really picky, both the polish level and wooden grip are something I will work on and improve myself, and both of those were to be expected, so no problem at all. I think the DW rapiers will become a new standard training tool in our club with another already on the way, providing the pound stays strong against the dollar I consider them to be good for the money.

Lastly, on the service provided, its nothing short of exceptional, I have been getting daily email responses and Scott is very friendly and helpful, I recieved the sword in 6 working days of payment, I cannot fault him there at all, and its a nice change from dealing with British swordsmiths, all round very happy, look forward to fighting with it, additional reviews will follow as it gets used, more swords are definately being ordered in the coming weeks and months.

See why I like the design, image out of Capo Ferro:
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Postby Caz » 31 Mar 2008 12:54

excellent, thanks Nick..

As you know , we have 2 Darkwood swords (not rapiers) on order..

Glad to hear you are , on the whole , impressed.. I will endeavour to review ours when they arrive,

I look forward to updates on this one from you...
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Postby Nikos » 31 Mar 2008 13:01

As I said, the things I don't like are minor and mostly expected, I really am very happy so far. Lastly, I would say the reason I bought it, anyone familiar with Capo Ferro will see that this particular designs appears in many of his plates, therefore, I of course had to buy one :-)
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Postby Caz » 31 Mar 2008 13:03

yeah, that's why we are buying a ...erm... Sidesword and a Schiavona :oops:
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Postby Phil C » 31 Mar 2008 15:26

The only mod I made to the few I have owned is to place leather washers between the hilt and the grip, then the grip and the pommel so it doesn't rattle as much and stays together a lot longer. Without them the pommel unscrews rather rapidly.
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Postby Nikos » 31 Mar 2008 16:27

Phil C wrote:The only mod I made to the few I have owned is to place leather washers between the hilt and the grip, then the grip and the pommel so it doesn't rattle as much and stays together a lot longer. Without them the pommel unscrews rather rapidly.


I hadn't actually noticed that the pommel was a screw thread with a fake peen, thats a shame really, though it does mean that maintenance and alterations are easier, so their are good and bad sides to that.
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Postby Monster Zero » 31 Mar 2008 16:35

Blue "Lock-Tight" Should help with the pommel.
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Postby Phil C » 31 Mar 2008 16:48

Blue loc-tite is evil! Having seen a mate try for a week to strip a bike engine unsuccesfully, with a range of tools that finally involved very large hammers, only to find that some twunt had stuck it together with the stuff I am under oath to never use the stuff!
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Postby Monster Zero » 31 Mar 2008 16:53

All you need to do is warm it up with a candle, lighter or torch and it comes off very easily...

I guess he never read the directions on the bottle...
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Postby Phil C » 31 Mar 2008 17:12

Trust me, he did. The stuff is Satan's own adhesive.
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Postby Nikos » 31 Mar 2008 17:13

I am not saying its a problem, just a shame that it isn't peened, as I said though, it makes doing work on it a whole lot easier.
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Postby Monster Zero » 31 Mar 2008 17:20

Phil C wrote:Trust me, he did. The stuff is Satan's own adhesive.


Are you sure it wasn't Red Loc-tight? That's the permanent stuff.

Blue isn't.

I use it all the time on balisong and never have a problem.
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Postby David Rawlings » 01 Apr 2008 09:02

how much was this one?
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Postby Nikos » 01 Apr 2008 09:10

I did put the cost in the first post, all up it cost me £252, which was $390 for the rapier, $45 shipping, plus the import duties, which for a rapier is about average I would say.
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Postby David Rawlings » 01 Apr 2008 09:34

Nikos wrote:I did put the cost in the first post,

Cool, you did too, :) thanks:)
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Postby Nikos » 05 Apr 2008 13:35

An Update:

I taught with this on Wednesday, but the big test was last night (Friday) when I get to do lots of sparring with our regular members. Okay, this rapier is growing on me more and more, at first I just liked it, but with a few things I didn't, but now with a few sessions, its glorious, it handles as well as a Del Tin Rapier, but its sturdier and better built, it moves brilliantly, the flexibility is just right, between safety and realism, stunning. I have just written Scott and email to tell him my thoughts which are rather positive, I am definately buying more from Darkwood in the future, there will be lots more of these appearing in my club very soon amongst me and other members.

I am especially happy after some of the bad times I have had buying swords recently, this one came with great speed and service, was exactly as described and does exactly what its supposed to, it is clearly going to become one of my main training weapons.
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Postby Nikos » 26 Nov 2008 13:56

Update, now had this for 9 months -

I noticed when I took it out of my bag at training last session that the wood grip is split down its entire length. Until recently this was my rapier of choice for every session, three days a week for those 9 months (until my cervenka arrived). So its had a lot of use, its even been on quite a few flights to various events and visits around the world.

Now, why the wood broke, well, for a start, it didn't break when in my care, so I cannot tell for sure, since my Cervenka turned up this Darkwood has continued in use every session to me students, but I have two ideas, and its probably a combination of the two. One - it has been overtightened (screw pommel), two - which probably compounded the problem, the weather recently, its been absolutely freezing, and due to the time I have to go from work, to training, and then I don't get back to gone midnight often after the pub, it has spent a good amount of time in a freezing cold car, and when combined with prolonged training, where it would get quite warm, I believe the stress has been too much for it and its given in.

Not to worry, infact I never liked the grip on this rapier, its a bit boring and a bit too fat, I have a few spare bits around which I am going to dig out for it in the next few days. So far from it being a complaint about the sword or wood, its not surprising at all, and its finally given me the incentive to get it changed to something I like.

As far as the rest of the weapon goes, fantastic, constant heavy use, often against longswords, the blade is fantastically well tempered, very rarely doesn't return true, has sustained no edge damage other than what is reasonable wear, the guard is rock solid, its a great dependable bit of kit, its only a shame to see that they have gone up so much in price for us Brits because of the exchange rate.
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