bigdummy wrote:No but that level of cost in armor has more to do with gold leaf and engraving than it does with protection.
Not only, and you know it. The text sources at this date are quite specific about differentiating between iron and steel.
What I am saying is, from the figures I've seen for Poland and Prussia anyway, the difference in the cost of armor, including imported Milanese harness, that was proofed vs. not proofed was not nearly as high as the difference between fancy parade armor or lordly armor of exquisite artistic qualities.
For example, some period records from Poland in the early 15th Century (near the time of the Battle of Grunwald) indicate the cost to equip two mounted crossbowmen (who would be armored in some fashion) at 22 Grivna, which is roughly the same as a Mark or 12 ounces of silver at that time (this is a fluctuating value but that is about average in the period). The cost of equipping a lancer is 30 Grivna. But a gilded and etched harness for a Polish magnate cost over 1400 florins, and I've seen prices for warhorses as high as 3000 florins or more.
Some other prices I found
A sheep, 56 dinari
Bushel of wheat 84 dinari
Sword 20 Kreuzer (1/2 a Mark)
Crossbow (not sure what specific type) 1 Mark / 40 Kreuzer
Coat of plates (platendienst) 12 Kreuzer
Cuirass with pauldrons, 39 Kreuzer
Mail Haubergeon 2-7 Marks
‘special’ Haubergeon (possibly tempered or fine links) 10 marks
Half-Armor ‘of Proof’ 90 Kreuzer (a little more than 2 marks)
Milanese Harness 4 Florins
Milanese Harness ‘of Proof*’ 7 Florins, 4 Kreuzer
All of these are well within the monthly pay of a typical mercenary lancer.
My sources are:
“History of the German People at the close of the Middle Ages
”, Johannes JanssenUzbrojenie w Polsce średniowiecznej 1350-1450
, “Armaments in Medieval Poland 1350-1450”, Andrzej Nadolski, Polska Akademia Nauk, Instytut Historii Kultury Materialnej, (1990), page 471
In the latter book, interestingly, the author claims that they found two helmets in Poland (Masovia) the 1990's which appear to have been pierced by crossbow bolts or arrows, both in the face plate, one dating from the 14th Century and one from the 13th.
They didn't say what kind, or how thick or anything.
* this doesn't indicate which kind of proof, of the two types Alan Williams mentions
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