Flagellum dei swords.

[Ken Osolinski]

Found these on the "Time seller" site, does anybody know anything about them?
http://www.thetimeseller.com/eng/subcat ... SF059.html

[The Guardsman]

I've seen these before, but only online. They look quite nice and I will probably buy one next month. I wish site like this showed little youtube clips of solo and paired drilling. The last thing i want to do is spend £150 on a crowbar or piece of foil.

[Ken Osolinski]

That's what I thought. There doesn't seem to be much choice available when it comes to training longswords, I like the look of the Flagellum swords If I can find out more I might get one, either that or one from Sword Gur, perhaps.

[admin]

They are re-hilted Hanwei blades, by the look of it. The only thing that concerns me a little is the hilts are longer, and I would be curious to know how they have lengthened the tangs.

[Ken Osolinski]

I don't know, they look as if the tang is peened into the pommel though, so if they
are Hanwei blades there must be an extra section of tang welded on.
(for some reason, I can't get the Timeseller site at the mo' so's to have another look ) .

[Lyceum]

I was considering buying one, from that exact site, but picked up a Hanwei for £30 or so from eBay.

If you're going to drop around that much, why not pick up a Pavel Moc? Admittedly I'm a n00b but they seem to come well recommended and sell around the same price tag.

[Nikos]

Yes they are quite pricey indeed for what is probably a hanwei and none of us have tried, I wouldn't risk that amount of cash for a sword I knew nothing about. Eiether go with a standard cheaper hanwei or push that little further and get something really nice, and yes, Pavel Moc are damn good, some even put them over Albions, either way, they are very nice.

[admin]

I take back everything I said about these swords. They are being made in Spain under the advice of the Spanish historical fencing guys - I had a play with a couple this weekend and they seem like a good buy - definitely a step up from Hanwei. They are not to be confused with Hanwei in real life, as they are better finished, stiffer and longer.

[admin]

and yes, Pavel Moc are damn good, some even put them over Albions, either way, they are very nice.

I guess it's down to taste - I know lots of people swear by Moc's, but every one I have ever played with has felt dead and clunky to me. They just feel too much like reenactment swords for my taste.

[Nikos]

and yes, Pavel Moc are damn good, some even put them over Albions, either way, they are very nice.

I guess it's down to taste - I know lots of people swear by Moc's, but every one I have ever played with has felt dead and clunky to me. They just feel too much like reenactment swords for my taste.

I am not quite sure how they work as some of the Spanish guys at Vienna had them, one a typical disc pommel longsword was really quite bulky and typical re-enactment, the other their violet design, that was light and handled beautifully, so I really don't know how they work it out, but it does bother me ordering from them knowing that it terms of weight and handling, anything could turn up, but if I could buy them in person and handle it before I paid my money then I am sure I would have one.

[Axel]

We had Moc retailer at Swordfish this year (he sells tons of stuff, and Pavel Moc amongst them att http://www.nidingbane.se), if you get here for Swordfish -08 he will surely be there so you can try the swords in person (and bring them home with you directly).

[Wolfgang Ritter]

As Matt wrote, the training swords seem to be really worth the money (I guess 180,- €), they handled very good, maybe even a bit too light for my taste (the short sword they had with), but as the spanish fencers pointed out, they really wanted to make a safe training weapon and I think they've achieved that to a fair price.
Maybe get a file and round the edges before training, but then you'll have a nice sword.

On the Moc swords: I have the "Dürer" model and the "Estoc" short sword and I feel very comfortable with them. But I have seen blades by Moc lately which seem to be rather soft. As has been written a gazillion time before: try to get a hand and test a sword and don't buy it online.....

Regards

Wolfgang

[The Guardsman]

Does anyone know what the 'Prevost' option means on the duellist model?

[admin]

No - maybe drop them an email.

[The Guardsman]

done i'll post my findings here.

[The Guardsman]

Response from timeseller -


It's a pleasure to help you The Duellist prevost is a model made for the Spanish AEEA's Provost Oscar Torres. The Difference is the end of te quillions are bended 90º to the blade making the defense and hilt actions more efective. You can see the result in this image.





This image is a little outdated, since the pommel and the handle is not exactly like that right now.

Remember the Duellist is a sword for "fencing duels" and light drills, known as the 'Federschwert with the shape of a sword'. A few of my students use them for drilling as well with good results but the Ideal life for this sword is for free sparring mainly.

Thanks for your interest!

[admin]

Cool stuff - Rorro said the same thing about this sword being deliberately light and flexible near the point for freeplay rather than drills, but honestly I found it stiff enough and robust enough for drills - it is more substantial and stiffer than the Hanwei, and loads of people are using that for drills.

[The Guardsman]

I'm gonna order one on Friday, in the meantime I asked if they could youtube a short clip on drilling and sparring with this model.

[The Guardsman]

More feedback from Timeseller


Hi Neil.

We would like to atted on all the fencing conventions, but my work (the shop) keeps me tied on the chair, and my duty as Fencing Leutenant in our salle makes the rest Member of the AEEA goes to Dijon this year, so you'll maybe see me there. The problem is, our actual work schedule, has more orders than our producion permets, so we cannot have stock! But we can try...

We'll be thinking on that video, I think it's a good idea!



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[admin]

Rorro (on this forum) may have such videos, as they are in the same association.