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Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby Lhakryma » 25 May 2016 20:32

First of all, thank you for accepting me here :)

So I plan on attending HEMA classes soon (I don't know when, my work schedule is pretty nasty, but I will eventually), and I was thinking of longsword, so I bought a synthetic one for training: it's the Rawlings Proline Xtreme Sparring Longsword from The hema shop:
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Got it in my colorus :D
Now I wanted to ask, how good is it as a practice sword, compared to the wooden ones I saw on that website? The reviews were good on it.

Next I was thinking of buying a real one, and I just can't decide which one between these 2:
https://www.thehemashop.com/longsword-ca-1400
https://www.thehemashop.com/english-two ... rd-ca-1450
So which one would you recommend? I'd want a usable one, not just for decoration, I want to be able to spar with it, when I learn enough :D
The English 2hander looks really nice though!
Should whichever one I get be sharp or blunt?
Also is there any way I could carry them? I don't have a car and I travel by bus, so I doubt it'd be okay to just carry a real one with me like that. A tall bag of some sorts might do?

And lastly, what are your thoughts on the claymores? Both aesthetically and functionally (sparring, competitions, etc.).
https://www.thehemashop.com/scottish-claymore
This is one of the most beautiful designs on a sword, in my opinion :), but to me it seems a bit unbalanced and cumbersome, but I don't know, that's why I'm asking :D

Thank you all in advance.
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Re: Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby swordflasher » 26 May 2016 03:06

Hello Lhakryma.

The Rawlings nylon sword will be great for practice at home and is just the thing to get started and will be fine, unless people at a particular club are only using steel swords to train or compete with. Wood is not the way to go, except for solo practice. As you know you can take the rawlings sword apart to carry it on a bus in any kind of bag. At a club you'll see what others use to carry steel swords.

The three swords you linked to would not be suitable for sparring as they are only blunt in the sense that they are 'unsharpened sharps', as are most of the swords on the list of blunts on the Knight shop site - unless they have 'practical' or 'feder' in the title. Training and sparring swords are made differently and have a different type of edge and point, a bit like the difference between a fencing foil and a sharp rapier. But don't let that stop you buying whatever you like, just because you want them! You could certainly use the longswords for solo drills at home while studying from a book. The same goes for the claymore with the 40" blade if you want it - if you have a garden to practice in - and yes I'm guessing it might be quite awkward to use compared to other swords, so not suitable for longsword fencing drills - but fun to try, I'm sure. I think everyone needs a at least one really massive kick-ass sword, just for the hell of it!

If you do join a club they will be pleased to tell you which weapons are suitable for training and sparring - some clubs may have lists on their websites, or go along and ask. You might also find if you go to a club that you prefer to use a sabre or sword and buckler or rapier once you have had a go. I think even one trip to a club would be a useful next step, even if you cant go regularly.

I notice that on our site there is a page on equipment - you might find that useful. http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/equipment/

This looks like the only feder on the Knight Shop site I can see. https://www.theknightshop.com/federschwert

I'm not sure how suitable this one might be for starting Hema training
https://www.theknightshop.com/practical ... half-sword

Hopefully someone else will chime in with advice for longswords suitable for sparring or training. This maker
http://www.regenyei.com/en_blunts_standard.php has the sort of thing you might eventually want to buy, but no club would expect you to turn up on the first evening with a training weapon - they will have some club weapons, and you can learn what suits you from trying them. I wouldn't suggest you buy an expensive training sword without trying a few other people's training weapons so as to know what maker, style, length etc. you prefer, but its up to you of course.

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Re: Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby Lhakryma » 27 May 2016 20:06

Thank you for the fast reply :)

I've seen the Federschwert in a few videos and I know that it's a training longsword, but I really don't like the design on it, and with my limited budget I planned on getting a nice one I'd like :D

But let's say I attend a few courses and I'm getting better at it, and I climb through the ranks, are we always going to use just these sparring weapons, or will we use real ones as well?
And on that same point, are the swords used by advanced fencers sharp or blunt?
Now I haven't yet held one in my hands yet, let alone used one, but to a trained fencer, doesn't it feel different when the sword is sharp compared to blunt? What with the aerodynamics and all.

I wouldn't want to buy one I'll never use heh.

So between the first 2 (the 1400 longsword and the 1450 English two hander) which one would you recommend? And does anybody ever use 140cm swords in competitions? :D

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Re: Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby swordflasher » 28 May 2016 00:34

The short answer is that we use different swords for different aspects of training, We use sharp swords to cut things with, and blunt ones not to cut the people we practice with. Also a sharp edge is finer and so is much more liable to be damaged by another sword, which is depressing if you have just spent several hundred pounds on it. Most people buy sharp swords to cut targets and do solo drills with, and feders or blunt swords for training. The advantage of the feders in competition is that - if they are well make - you can thrust hard during a tournament without injuring the other competitor since the blade bends.

People do train with sharp swords, or at least unsharpened sharp swords, but as a sword doesn't need to be very sharp to cut it really limits how much people can really go for it. So, although it might seem counter-intuitive, the more realist the swords used, the least realistic the fight. :(

Lhakryma wrote:

So between the first 2 (the 1400 longsword and the 1450 English two hander) which one would you recommend?


Neither. Windlass longswords are made in India and their longswords tend to wobble too much. Some of their shorter swords are OK. I have a couple. Best to read the reviews on Myarmoury for specific models.
https://myarmoury.com/reviews.html

But if you like a sword, buy it anyway. Even if you don't use a sharp sword for fighting, it'll be useful for cutting targets and getting a few scrathes on your ceiling - I know I have a few. :)

Lhakryma wrote:
And does anybody ever use 140cm swords in competitions? :D


Yes. You might like the montante [spanish two-handed sword]. Here's a couple of videos or training with nylon swords, and solo forms with steel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu4B-16SEls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYNy_drriXs

However I'll let someone else more knowledgeable answer your questions in more depth. Meanwhile here's a few more people who make practice weapons as well as sharps.

Best wishes, Mike


http://www.swords.cz/enonehalf.html

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... aestro.htm

http://www.stgeorgearmoury.co.uk/5122.html

http://arms-n-armor.com/training.html

http://www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk/Combat_Swords.html

http://www.armabohemia.cz/Novestr/handA.htm

http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/?main_pag ... &cPath=2_5

http://www.sword.cz/swords.htm

http://www.armorymarek.com/

http://seelenschmiede.de/

http://www.berbekuczviktor.hu/angol/angol.html

http://www.lutel-handicraft.com/

http://szymonchlebowski.pl/index.php?

http://www.danelliarmouries.com/

http://www.deltin.it/

http://fabri-armorum.com/
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Re: Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby swordflasher » 28 May 2016 21:15

If you want to order something now, then of all the options I would go to the arma bohemia link and consider buying the basic 1½-hand sword for both training in a club or practicing at home - But don't tell anyone else or they will buy it first. :)

The advantage over the others is no waiting time, and it's also a good price for something that looks decent and will probably hold up well. I'd buy their sharp 'copy of a 1-hand sword' myself if I wasn't saving for a new computer. :(

You could of course get their basic great sword if you want to train at home with a bigger sword, and 'maybe' train and spar with it at a club at some point in the future - if they train with great swords that is.

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Re: Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby Lhakryma » 29 May 2016 17:11

That basic great sword is only 7 cm bigger, does that make that much of a difference?

ALso I'm new to this, so how do I actually order anything? xD Talking about the bohemia site.
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Re: Advice on buying longsword and some general questions

Postby swordflasher » 30 May 2016 17:03

No, probably not much of a difference - looks like they don't weigh the same though, and one is a bit longer. :)

As for ordering, there is a menu on the left of the swords. The link that says 'business conditions' will tell you how to order. This would be the way ahead, I imagine.

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