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Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Mearcstapa » 10 Dec 2013 14:26

Do we know who the manufacturer is for these, and whether they are safe to use? I assume the answer to the latter question is 'nope'.

http://www.thehemashop.com/index.php/british-1796-pattern-heavy-cavalry-sabre.html
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Magnus Hagelberg » 10 Dec 2013 17:30

http://www.thehemashop.com/index.php/br ... sabre.html

The light version
statts:
Total length: 96 cm
Blade length: 83 cm
Grip length: 9.5 cm
Weight: 1.078 kg
Blade thickness (base): 6 mm
Blade thickness (CoP):
Blade width (base): 3.4 cm
Blade width (CoP):
Point of Balance (PoB): 22 cm
Center of Percussion (CoP):

How close it this to the original?
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Mearcstapa » 10 Dec 2013 19:32

The Hema Shop bloke at FightCamp this summer had a 1796 LC on display which was not Cold Steel. I asked how safe it was to use, and he said he couldn't guarantee it but had sold a couple to people who wanted to test them and had had no negative feedback. I assume these are from the same manufacturer.

From the Cold Steel site:

Specifications
Imperial Metric
Weight 34.2oz 0.97kg
Blade Thickness 5⁄16" 7.9mm
Blade Length 33" 83.8cm
Handle 4¾" 12.1cm
Steel 1055 Carbon
Overall 37¾" 95.9cm
Scabbard Steel
Country of Origin India
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Alex Kiermayer » 11 Dec 2013 09:28

These sabres seem to be made by Delhi Gunhouse. I don`t know anything about their quality, though.
I would also be interested to hear about it, because I´m looking for a sabre for handling exercises on horseback. It would be great if it also would be suitable for (light) cutting exercises.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Mearcstapa » 12 Dec 2013 11:55

Thing is, there isn't that substantial a price difference between their 1796 LC and Cold Steel's one, which seems to be held in reasonable regard.

On the other hand, they are the only supplier of sharp 1796 HCs that I am aware of.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby admin » 12 Dec 2013 12:21

The KS one I looked at was bent (in the direction you do not want it to be bent in) and somewhat overweight in the foible. The CS one is way too thick in the foible as well though.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Mearcstapa » 11 Jan 2014 17:50

Here's someone else making them:

http://www.militaryheritage.com/swords2.htm
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby admin » 11 Jan 2014 19:41

The military heritage one are not really intended for use. If you bend them they will stay bent.
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Re: Blunt 1796 LC/HC and 'antique' P1908

Postby Mearcstapa » 12 Jan 2014 22:58

Good to know.

On a similar note, made enquiries into this P1908 from an antique arms dealer: http://www.michaeldlong.com/Catalogue/Swords/21th-Century/British/British-Indian-Pattern-1908-Cavalry-Trooper%E2%80%99s-Swor.aspx

£145 is pretty tasty for one of these (normally £400 at the very least) but in his reply he said that although the grips and guards (and maybe scabbards - I forget) are original from a cache in an Indian supply depot, the blades are 'modern reproductions' and not intended for use.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Jonathan » 12 Jan 2014 23:37

There are two Indian companies that make loads of military sword repros; Universal Sword and Weapon Edge. Kult of Athena in the US carries Universal Sword products. I would not be surprised if they were also the source for The HEMA Shop. I believe one of those companies supplies Military Heritage.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby admin » 13 Jan 2014 12:06

The HEMA Shop/Knight Shop ones are from a different maker - in fact, as far as I know, the same company that are making their feders for fencing.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby Jonathan » 13 Jan 2014 21:35

The HEMA Shop 1796 HC and the Universal Swords 1796 HC have identical markings. I feel confident that the HEMA Shop's British sabres are made by either Universal Swords or Weapon Edge. The companies apparently used to be one, but split a few years ago hence they have a number of identical offerings. Check out the Kult of Athena website for better photos of the Universal Swords sabres. A fellow named Dave Kelly has reviewed a number of Weapon Edge/ Universal Swords products at the SBG forum if anyone is interested in reading more about them.
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Re: Blunt 1796 Light Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry

Postby StevenJ4810 » 27 Feb 2014 01:25

I was going to mention it looks like Universal Swords, Kult of Athena sells that model also.
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