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800N plastron - review request

Postby Reinier » 18 Jun 2013 07:14

I want to up my personal protection a bit, and one thing I would like to add to my armoury is a 800N plastron (for both arms).

I have found two options:

- Leon Paul, which is rather expensive:
http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/Mens_L ... stron.html
- Allstar, which is still expensive, but cheaper:
https://www.allstar.de/index.php?cPath= ... dd0bb78c75

I am leaning towards getting the Allstar; I read it has better fit, and I definitely had better experience with Allstar masks than I had with Leon Paul masks.
Does anybody here have either? Has anybody tried either? Any opinions?
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Piermarco » 18 Jun 2013 13:15

I've got the 800n double plastron from Allstar, but basically never wear it unless it's somehow required, because its a plasticy and not very breathable fabric which gets very hot and sweaty with a coaching jack and chest protector.

Very thin though and doesn't impede movement though, and the 3/4 might not be so hot.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Reinier » 18 Jun 2013 13:44

I want to get one of those instead of a plastic protector.

It gives more protection were needed - I have never felt the need to wear a placemat under my fencing vest.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Piermarco » 18 Jun 2013 13:55

But being hit hard in the ribs really hurts.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Reinier » 18 Jun 2013 14:00

I try not to be bothered by pain and temporal / non-serious damage. Pain is a good teacher (IMHO).

Thanks for your input!

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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Piermarco » 18 Jun 2013 14:05

No probs! Generally I agree, but rib shots you feel for weeks afterwards I find quite bothersome.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Winterberry » 18 Jun 2013 20:48

First I will say that I haven't tried either of them on.
However, I would say that looking at them, the main downside to both would be, as usual, the length. They seem to just about reach the waist when the arms are down. As soon as the arms are raised the lower ribs would become as exposed as the stomach.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Tyler Brandon » 18 Jun 2013 23:34

ZWA has this with 890N protection and you don't have to worry about lack of coverage. However it's costly and that's before you ship accross the pond.

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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Reinier » 20 Jun 2013 06:53

One of my students brought his Leon Paul to training yesterday.
Quite nice. Very light and flexible.

Can anyone tell me how the Allstar compares? Is it similar in lightness and flexibility?
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Piermarco » 20 Jun 2013 11:01

Yeah the allstar is a thin, flexible waxy/plasticy fabric.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Mark T » 22 Jun 2013 03:51

Hi Reinier,

I have the Allstar, and chose it for the higher collar and fit.

For light drilling/paired work, I wear it over a Reebok 7K shirt, and under a long-sleeved t-shirt, and barely notice it. It also fits just fine under a SPES AP jacket, with or without the 7K for added padding.

I've also worn it straight under a t-shirt for full-speed sparring in knife combatives, just to give some added peace of mind, and it performed just fine.

As Winterberry noted, it does ride up when the arms are raised. However, one benefit of the slipperyness of the fabric is that the main body tends to return to position fairly easily, rather than getting caught on the surrounding layers.

It was a little stiff when I first got it, but a few washes have helped loosen it up a little. Having said that, it seems to take a bit of a 'set' based on how it bunches around your armpits ... when I first saw this, I wondered if it would be noticeable when worn, but it's not a problem.

Having been cut, I'm personally a fan of including rated slash-resistant material in HEMA gear. Ken Mondschien also made the point a while back that in a legal setting, having FIE-rated gear might help if attempting to show risk mitigation.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Dave B » 04 Jul 2013 22:12

Just given my Allstar (4/4 lightweight plastron) it's first test drive.

Clearly it's designed for wear with breeches so it's fairly short. I always wear breeches, because I think I look jolly sexy in them, so not a problem. With the high waist PBT breeches and the braces over the top of the plastron there is never a gap.

My perception is that it is less hot than my old 3/4 standard 800n, and it is defintely better for not rucking up in the arm. You have to be carefull to get the right size apparently, too small and it limits movement, too big and it rucks and slides. Fortunately Bob at allstar UK is a star chap, and posted me out a couple of different ones, on the understanding that I would post back the ones I didn't want and pay for the one I kept.

I think these are the tool for the job. Now to find a better throat protector.

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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Phil C » 04 Jul 2013 23:17

Dave B wrote:I think these are the tool for the job.

If only they came in adult sizes- the largest is still a full 6" too small in the chest for me.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby admin » 05 Jul 2013 10:33

Thanks guys, really useful info.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Reinier » 05 Jul 2013 11:05

I have ordered one - I had already decided to order a long size version - but following the sizing table I needed that too, so I hope it is still long enough.

If I get it before the 17th I might be able to put it next to a Leon Paul one. Regardless, I will post here what I think of it.

Allstar UK sounds a lot more useful than Allstar NL ("I don't have anything in stock. If you tell me what I size I will order it for you").
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Dave B » 05 Jul 2013 12:58

As far as I can tell Allstar UK is one bloke, called Bob. and he's very helpful and interested in what we do. if it wasn't so far from his base in scotland I'd suggest that he came down to fightcamp with a vanload of kit.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Oli Barker » 05 Jul 2013 13:20

There seems to be someone named Paul as well - I ordered one of these plastrons (it arrived yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to try it out) and he was my main contact.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Reinier » 23 Jul 2013 21:37

Got mine last Monday, thanks to Marcus Hampel. It's quite nice. Very comparable to the Leon Paul (IIRC - I have not seen them together yet). I'd advise ordering a long size regardless of the sizing table. Mine had a tendency to ride up if I lifted my arms, but I received my black PBT fencing breeches today, and the braces really help prevent it. Plus it is just long enough for overlap.

Nice combo - now to get a black plastron, and black 800 N pants...

(I sold some old costumes so I had money to gear up a step)
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby admin » 24 Jul 2013 16:15

I tried on Martin's yesterday and it seemed good to me. I have three on order.
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Re: 800N plastron - review request

Postby Oli Barker » 24 Jul 2013 20:05

My only criticism is that it didn't seem particularly breathable - combined with the plastic chest protector and my AP jacket, fencing in warm temperatures is a mite uncomfortable. :(
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