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Postby admin » 28 Sep 2006 10:02

Harder? :?
Albions are about 52..Armour Class are about 50..Arms & Armour are about 50..Del Tins are 50 or a bit less. Angus Trims are unusual in that they are about 54-56 at the very edge of the edge, but 52 or there-abouts in the rest of the blade.
Historically, according to Dr.Alan Williams, most medieval-renaissance European swords are around 50 at the edge. I can tell you for a fact that some 19thC military swords are a bit less than 50.
Japanese swords are sometimes around 60 Rockwell at the edge, but this is possible because of their particular method of construction - most blades that are 60 Rockwell through the whole blade (Japanese swords only have a hard edge of course) will be too brittle and will snap much more easily.
Better to have a slightly softer edge rather than a snapping blade, eh? ;)
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Postby admin » 28 Sep 2006 10:06

Herbert wrote:I am interested Matt if the balance is good.


p.s. What is 'good' balance? I've handled a fair number of original longswords now, and I can tell you that regardless of 'type' or period, you get all different kinds of balance points. Not all Type XV's balance near the hilt - some are far up the blade, some are right by the hilt. There is no 'good' balance - only a balance that you personally like.
And something that feels nice does not always work well as a sword. Angus Trim reduced the weight of at least one of his pommels to make the sword perform better, even though it made the sword feel less nice in the hand.
At the end of the day a sword is a tool to do a job - whether it feels nice or not is just cosmetic.
The POB on these longswords is about 5" up from the guard, which is pretty average.
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Postby Herbert » 28 Sep 2006 11:43

You may be right about the hardness, after all you don't want it brittle. But a good steel is not brittle with 56 HRC if the heat treating is done right.

Using the word "balance" may be a bit misleading here. I didn't mean the Point of Balance but the feel of the sword. There are swords that are "dead" in you hands and then there are those that are "alive". Maybe this is clearer. A good balanced sword (and this includes POB, the nodes, pivot points and other things) moves with you, a bad balanced one has to be moved by you.

So, when can we order some?

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Postby Anders Linnard » 28 Sep 2006 11:47

admin wrote:You mean the German style longsword foil? Yes, that's on the to-do list as well.. The chap I'm working with has already made a few actually - it's just a question of getting the specific details sorted out and then making it in such a way as to keep the costs down.


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cheapness is definately something that is important. It's a training tool and people can only use it for training, I see few people wearing it on a festival or something similar.

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Postby Stunt Weasel » 28 Sep 2006 12:15

*Never mind prior comments.*

They look nice.

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Postby admin » 28 Sep 2006 12:16

Hi Herbert - I'm still waiting for the prototype to arrive - the one in the photo was tested to destruction (actually it survived but is of course damaged) and now the second prototype is being made and then sent to me. I'll then give feedback on it and we'll make any changes that might be needed. The prototype will get handled by other Schola people and we'll put some video up of cutting with it etc, and I'll take precise measurements etc (and do the flex test etc).
At the same time I receive this prototype I should also receive a different type of longsword which is a replica of an example in a Polish collection - it's a bigger sword, about 40 inch blade with a wheel pommel and broader fullered blade.

Anders - yes, absolutely; in my eyes the longsword foil has to be cheap, to justify people bothering to use it instead of a blunted sword or wooden waster.
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Postby Alex » 28 Sep 2006 12:32

admin wrote:If everything works out, I am planning a quality budget messer, a single-handed sword, a couple of longswords, a couple of polearms and a rondel dagger.


Polearms! :D
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Postby Herbert » 28 Sep 2006 12:38

Well, the waiting part is the hardest part of all...

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Postby Oli » 28 Sep 2006 13:47

Herbert wrote:Well, the waiting part is the hardest part of all...

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Postby Herbert » 28 Sep 2006 14:06

Thats why I don't really understand your loyalty to him. I would have changed long ago!

Hail to all those with more patience than me!

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Postby Neil Cardy » 28 Sep 2006 17:57

admin wrote:
Monster Zero wrote:I like Matt... They do Messer?


If everything works out, I am planning a quality budget messer, a single-handed sword, a couple of longswords, a couple of polearms and a rondel dagger.


A rondel dagger sounds interesting :)

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Postby Dai D » 09 Oct 2006 17:55

Whats the length with the hilt Matt, any chance of custom orders?
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Postby admin » 09 Oct 2006 18:25

Hi Dai - I'll put all the exact stats up when I get the prototype - custom orders are a possibility, but of course would take longer and cost more. The idea of the standard models is to be able to supply them immediately (well, as quickly as possible) to customers.
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Postby john mackay » 24 Oct 2006 13:23

it looks very much like a Gus Trim Sword??
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Postby admin » 24 Oct 2006 13:26

No it doesn't :).
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Postby Oli » 06 Nov 2006 08:52

any news?
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Postby admin » 06 Nov 2006 18:22

Nope. When I have news, I'll post it here.

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Postby caous » 06 Dec 2006 11:04

Looks alot like my Albion squireline bastard sword.
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Postby admin » 19 Dec 2006 15:03

Two prototypes were delivered today. I'll have them at training tonight.
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Postby Dai D » 20 Dec 2006 09:56

pics and a report please
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