Page 1 of 1

Advice: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 05 Nov 2012 18:41
by Marc
I'm very interested to hear from anyone who got a change to try the at swordfish. I hear rumours of pricing which sounds very reasonable and the feedback on their other kit has always been quite good.

Do we have a good affordable hema glove here or not?

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 06 Nov 2012 00:24
by Magnus Hagelberg
it's a mitten with hardshell on topp. it's got a gapp on top of the thumb. thumb has good mobility, there is no mobility to speak of for the rest of the hand.
It protects the hand reasonably good.

Price at swordfish was 1300skr.
I don't know what SPES will charge, probbably less.

They where used by the winner of the sword and buckler tournament - he both gave and recieved some beating. Not sure on how much was to the hand, as he hit's harder than Andy Dams. They seemed to hold up well enough.

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 06 Nov 2012 09:15
by Andreas Engström
The thumb is huge. The whole glove is very big. It's only useable for a completely open hilt (arming sword, longsword), not for any kind of complex hilt or buckler.

Grappling would be possible but rather limited.

-Andreas

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 06 Nov 2012 16:27
by KeithFarrell
From my communications today with Spes, these items will not be available for sale just yet, and they will give me some heads up and information closer to the time. As soon as I know anything, I will let you all know!

(and of course, Corsair's Wares will be retailing them as soon as we can get our hands on them :D )

As far as I can surmise from various people's comments, these are the general opinions:

- with regard to the jacket, the plates do provide a bit of extra protection, but they don't cover all the important areas and can be easily broken off from the jacket. What is nice is the leather facing for the jacket, apparently this is good and an improvement. I have no idea about price yet.

- with regard to the gloves, I hear that they are roughly on par with the Absolute Force gloves (broadly speaking). They cover less of the hand and provide less protection than the AF gloves but the material is better and more durable. It sounds like they are not suitable for anything involving a complex hilt, so they would really only be of interest to the longsworders, messer people and perhaps the sword and buckler people amongst us (compared to the Ensifers which can be used inside sabres as well; I haven't heard about the AF gloves and complex hilts at all). In terms or price, it seems the price of these gloves might be broadly in line with the price of the AF gloves through Corsair's Wares (£120), but this might change depending on what Spes decides in the coming few days/weeks.

So what I'm saying to my Academy members at the moment is that the standard Spes jacket is probably still the best bet, and that until we have more information about the Spes gloves the AF gloves are probably still the best way to go (unless people want to commission Ensifers).

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 07 Nov 2012 09:06
by admin
Thanks for this guys. Very useful to have the latest info and comparisons.
Frankly none of these designs appeal to me. :(

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 07 Nov 2012 10:42
by Marc
Thanks guys. Not quite as positive as I had hoped, but as a longsword user a lot of the issues raised don't apply to me. What's the postage like on those american gloves btw?

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 07 Nov 2012 10:55
by Joeli
What seems to be a big problem with the SPES gloves is that the plastic plates were stiched with rubber bands to the glove itself. I don't understand how a sword blow gliding on the hard plastic and hitting the rubber band would not break the glove. One would think they have thought of this already, but seeing how people fencing in Absolute Force gloves have the same problem with gloves falling apart, I'm not that convinced.

I liked that the SPES glove itself was pretty light, but why did they have to make the glove so huge. A better fit would probably solve issues with mobility too. The thumb size was approaching ridiculous, being about one inch wide. Also, the leather palm in the glove was pretty slippery. Of course, one could use sand paper to roughen the palm for a better grip, just like one could glue linen or leather layer on top of the hard plastic and stiches on both the SPES glove and AF to somewhat prolong their life expectation, but this also gives me a feeling that both golve models were a bit of a rush job to get them into production.

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 07 Nov 2012 16:25
by Hindmost
I took a few pictures of them in Sweden.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

I am not sure if these are early prototypes or the finalised product - I forgot to ask.

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 07 Nov 2012 17:10
by admin
Thanks. It looks to me like the thumb is the wrong shape - it looks like they shaped it when not holding a sword (funnily enough, a common mistake of people who make steel armour!).

Re: Any reviews or feedback on the new Spes gloves?

PostPosted: 14 Nov 2012 21:18
by craftyfighter
Well, those are disappointing photos :( I guess I'll cross those off my list as well (along with the Ensifers and AF ones).