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PostPosted: 11 Jul 2009 20:22
by Cutlery Penguin
Paul B wrote:its a guideline - a good guideline, but thats not a rule


How do you win if it isn't a rule?

PostPosted: 11 Jul 2009 21:25
by Paul B
Cutlery Penguin wrote:
Paul B wrote:its a guideline - a good guideline, but thats not a rule


How do you win if it isn't a rule?


by getting the other guy to loose.

break the first rule = loose
break the second "rule" = keep fighting - not exactly an instant disqualification

I agree totally, it is the best goal to have and the best way to keep from breaking the first rule, but you don't have to get through it, obeing the first rule, and then find the guy two days later to obey the second because you forgot or the police broke it up or something.

PostPosted: 11 Jul 2009 21:51
by Cutlery Penguin
How about if we change the word from kill to hurt?

1) Don't get hurt.
2) Hurt the other guy.

You don't have to kill him, simply encourage him to stop trying to kill you.

PostPosted: 11 Jul 2009 23:02
by Paul B
I suppose if you start at the point where violence has begun, then yes. Except if you can easily manage a restraint, or scare him off.

See, too many exceptions and what ifs. Guideline

Stay alive - no exceptions. Rule

PostPosted: 11 Jul 2009 23:29
by Cutlery Penguin
Paul B wrote:I suppose if you start at the point where violence has begun, then yes. Except if you can easily manage a restraint, or scare him off.

See, too many exceptions and what ifs. Guideline

Stay alive - no exceptions. Rule


I see what you mean, but then what your rule(s) describe isn't a fight. Scaring someone off isn't a fight, it is avoiding a fight, restraining them doesn't win you a fight, it simply delays the application of rule 2. If we accept that what we do describes a violent encounter then we must have both rules.

We must adhere to rule 1, only once we have ensured that we do that we can then move on to rule two. Only when we have successfully adhered to both rule 1 and rule 2 then we have won the fight. If we only bother with rule 1 then we may well be fighting forever.

How we go about the rules are the guidlines.

PostPosted: 15 Jul 2009 22:10
by Colin F.
Pole axe is fun. :twisted:

PostPosted: 15 Jul 2009 23:02
by Paul B
Indeed - it was an awesome lesson - we even got a pro photographer round taking pics.

PostPosted: 22 Jul 2009 22:58
by Paul B
Cheers to Colin for another great pollaxey type lesson - even if you do agree with OZ.

Sorry we wont be at the wedding, but have a great day and an even better honey moon!

PostPosted: 13 Sep 2009 19:28
by Saskia
The next swordfighting class in Manchester will take place on Sunday 27 September, 12-5.30 PM. The address is:
St. Ninian's Church
Egerton Road South (corner of Egerton Road and Wilbraham Road)
Chorlton,
MANCHESTER,
M21 0XJ

The price is £ 10 for the whole session.
Please let me know if you intend to come, as numbers are limited due to the amount of gear we have.
Best wishes,
Saskia

07866 103680

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 27 Nov 2009 11:41
by admin
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Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 13 Jan 2010 13:44
by Paul B
Training tonight is cancelled due to the weather conditions in Bradford.

On the other hand, only good sense and self preservation stop you from putting on a "swordfighting on ice" show for your neighbours :D

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PostPosted: 20 Jan 2010 23:25
by Paul B
Good to finaly get back to training! Ten people in tonights class with a good spread of skill levels.

Problem is now, I've got a good set of drills that get results. How to prevent boredom setting in? I know.... Homework!

http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Dobringe ... byside.pdf

read this and choose 1 idea to look at in next weeks sparring sessions

week after that is dagger and wrestling under Colin

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 28 Jan 2010 13:43
by Paul B
Nice to see people taking some ideas straight out of the manuscripts, or comming up with their own training objectives. Also good to see that evolving over the course of a fairly open training session.

Colin will be leading us in Italian trickery for the next 2 weeks, then is away for a week, then finishing up week 3.

So, you have some homework for the interviening week - A flourish.
Everyone should have a think and a bash at home/park/work/in charge of moving vehicles etc, then we will get together in groups to figure out a flourish that will become a regular part of training.

Rules are:
No less than 16 moves
Must begin and end on the same spot
Must have at least 2 planes of movement and direction (so not just forwards and backwards, facing in the same direction)
Must be logical - ie with an imaginary opponent/s in mind

In contrast to regular training, all the footwork and body positioning must be very precise. For example: how are your feet weighted? how high are your hands and how is the cross oriented?

PostPosted: 11 Feb 2010 09:34
by Colin F.
A little bit of monkey see, monkey do this week as we begin a 3 week stretch of dagger (with next week not being on as neither Pual or myself are there!).

Concentrated on the first few first master plays and moved onto the first few of third master. The small home work was to have a look at the later first master plays and the second master. Notice the similarities and small differences between the two and have a play around.

In a fortnight's time we will be trying a new learning pattern and also having a little bit of dagger sparring. :D

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 11 Feb 2010 23:14
by Paul B
Looks like I will be around next week, so the lesson is back on. I will be in Wales for a couple of weeks after that though.

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 21 Feb 2010 18:40
by Colin F.
Am I teaching this Wednesday and the following Wednesday then?

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 21 Feb 2010 19:00
by Paul B
Yep, but I will not be in Wales, so you can throw me around a bit. Should be lots of fun stabby goodness

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 21 Feb 2010 21:09
by Colin F.
Prepare for your right shoulder's rotary cuff to be slightly tender...

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 10 Mar 2010 22:56
by Colin F.
As Paul has left me alone for the past few weeks, I have been doing a lot of dagger work with the class. We're working with Neil's interpretation as a base and supplementing it with a few things I learned at the weekend in Wales (Neil, I'll show you what I am blathering about in the Easter holidays).

Had a few newbies come along and like it, last week we had a good sized class (10 I think), this week (for one reason or another) we had 3. Woohoo...

Mostly being looking at how to defend ourselves using 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and the one I can never remember the number of (attacks with the hammer grip from underneath...) as a cone of defense. Then bringing in the techniques after that. Working on throws by messing around with peoples spinal alignment and other bits and pieces. Also looking at a 1st master interpretation that is used just after when Neil's interpretation of it is used.

Pressure testing the techniques in a variety of ways.

Anywho, with a little bit of luck we can carry on with this (dodgy, sneaky, awful, horrible) Italian dagger stuff for a while and then go back to the (wonderful, awesome, legendary, god like) german longsword stuff.

See Matt, I'm not a convert! :lol:

Re: SG-6 Bradford

PostPosted: 11 Mar 2010 09:24
by Saskia
I'm really sorry that I missed so much! I've been busy, and to be honest, the journey to Bradford is really tiring me out... it's not nice being home at 11.50 PM (if the trains are not delayed, which they usually are)...
I wonder whether we could do some dagger in Manchester as well this Sunday? We did it with our 'study group' last week, and they liked it. I found that with just the manuscript and no explanation it was quite hard to understand the pictures, so I couldn't figure it all out - need my Richards-book for that I think ;)