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Re: Early history of the modern fencing: sabre, ...

PostPosted: 31 Dec 2018 04:45
by Thearos
Isn't this just a gymnasium sabre of typical C19th vintage and shape ?

Re: Early history of the modern fencing: sabre, ...

PostPosted: 31 Dec 2018 17:54
by Bob Sp
It is labelled "Horthy Era" which is the first half of the 20th century, if I am not mistaken.

Re: Early history of the modern fencing: sabre, ...

PostPosted: 01 Jan 2019 11:39
by Ulrich von L...n
Bob Sp wrote:It is labelled "Horthy Era"...

Yes, it is. Horthy Era = 1919 (1920) till 1944.

Re: Early history of the modern fencing: sabre, ...

PostPosted: 01 Jan 2019 11:42
by Ulrich von L...n
Thearos wrote:...a gymnasium sabre of typical C19th vintage...

It is possible to identify the marking of the blade, also the backstrap etc. Later I will write a short summary about that sabre.


PostPosted: 01 Jan 2019 18:50
by Bob Sp
Ulrich von L...n wrote:
The English description of NFM - HuT 95.3.1 at the Nádasdy Museum:

It is poignant to me to see this in the Nadasdy museum. I knew the last Ference when he lived in Canada. He was a very active fencer. I didn't have much contact with him after he moved back to Hungary and became involved in his foundation. By good luck I was able to talk to him on the phone on his birthday of the year year he passed on.

PostPosted: 01 Jan 2019 19:55
by Ulrich von L...n

It is really fascinating that a misidentified training sabre was needed to talk about the last Nádasdy.

Ferenc Nádasdy (1 July 1937 – 15 January 2013)[1] was a Hungarian aristocrat, the last male member of the House of Nádasdy.

At the moment I am reading an interview with him (2003) where he talks about his fencing years.

Re: Early history of the modern fencing: sabre, ...

PostPosted: 01 Jan 2019 21:38
by Bob Sp
Here is a picture of Frank (as we knew him) from the late 1970's at a fencing event.

PostPosted: 02 Jan 2019 08:29
by Ulrich von L...n
Is it possible to identify the event?
What were his fencing results in Canada?

PostPosted: 02 Jan 2019 09:31
by Ulrich von L...n
What kind of clues have we from the photos of Hussar "rapier"?

On the forte of the blade there is a marking (let's call it ladder). [1] The very same marking can be seen in Barbasetti's book (1899): Fig. 1. Das Erfassen des Säbels (~= Gripping of the sabre)

Backstrap: absolutely the same can be found in Souzy's catalogue (1913: item 184) for Italian sabres: Radaelli (item 403), Sestini (404), Masielo (405).

The guard of the sword doesn't have a characteristic small feature as in Barbasetti's book. [2]
So it might happen that the guard itself is a more modern part of the sword.
1. At the moment I don't know the manufacturer's name.
2. A small curvy part on the backstrap side of the guard.

PostPosted: 05 Jan 2019 15:35
by Ulrich von L...n
Just have checked the Hungarian title of NFM - HuT 95.3.1 at the Nádasdy Museum.
It reads: "Huszártiszti vívótőr" = Hussar officer's foil.

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019 08:21
by Ulrich von L...n

Leszák teaches at Ludovika Military Academy (Budapest).
His name was mentioned a couple of times in this topic.

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019 08:24
by Ulrich von L...n
A nice collection of vintage fencing swords (Radaelli, Parise etc) from MyArmoury site.

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2019 07:01
by Ulrich von L...n
On 24 May 2013 I wrote (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18591&p=324031#p324031) about the private collection of fencing artifacts owned by Árpád Németh, retired Hungarian fencing coach. At that time the collection was located at

Last year a new site - called Fencing Museum - was created, and the high resolution photos of artifacts (175 items) were moved there. ... ollection/

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2019 07:04
by Ulrich von L...n

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by Ulrich von L...n

PostPosted: 21 Mar 2019 06:17
by Ulrich von L...n
A few weeks ago interesting pictures were posted on a Hungarian FB page. With a little search I have found the original images. An early attempt to introduce women's sabre fencing (1923): ... -l1600.jpg

One could observe the types of fencing sabres used at that time: Radaelli model (standing, right), Pecoraro model with "nickel plated steel guard with rolled edges" (sitting girls). Different guards can be seen in the Vince Catalogue (1938):

download/file.php?id=483 ... -l1600.jpg

An older Sestini model with a backstrap.

PostPosted: 21 Mar 2019 06:19
by Ulrich von L...n
Further details.

"The women’s fencing team held their initial practice yesterday morning under the direction of Professor Pietro Lanzilli at his fencing studio, 1521 K Street Northwest.

Fencing was introduced in George Washington University last year, and for the first season about twenty-five girls reported for practice. This year at least four of that squad will be available as a nucleus around which to build a strong team for the coming season.

Professor Lanzilli, who has been secured as fencing instructor for the University squad, is an excellent instructor and is very enthusiastic over the prospects for a successful season. He teaches the Italian method of fencing which, while it is harder than the French method, gives a better foundation for progressive fencing.

Uniforms for the most part are nondescript, but by the end of the season it is hoped that regular fencing equipment will be available. Plans have already been made for the purchase of additional foils and masks.

Practice periods have been arranged for Mondays from 9 to 12, Tuesdays and Thursdays from 7 to 8, and on Fridays from 10 to 12, at Professor Lanzilli’s studio, 1521 K Street. Girls interested in fencing should get in touch with Phoebe Knappen, manager, or report at the studio during the regular practice periods.
" ... 4_djvu.txt

An article from "...the independent student-run newspaper The GW Hatchet..." (George Washington University, 1924)

PostPosted: 05 Apr 2019 18:50
by Ulrich von L...n
A few days ago I have found that two, relatively unknown sabre fencing treatises of August Hermann, printed in 1859 and 1861, are available online. The links can be found in the 19thC Treatises section.

Some pictures from these fencing books have been inserted in the last post of my blog. ... -1861.html

PostPosted: 22 May 2019 11:05
by Ulrich von L...n
A short summary of what we know about Italian fencing master Angelo Torricelli.
Finally the year of birth and of death have been found, also some other biographical tidbits. ... celli.html