Gav wrote:I actually started learning quarterstaff aged 10.
Then why dismiss passing footwork?
You really don't understand Olympic fencing do you?
Gav, you asserted that the moulinette was essentially pointless. In a historical fencing or martial art context how can you sustain that view? You know better than Sir Richard Francis Burton or Captain Alfred Hutton how to kill people with a sabre?
Though I like the way your prejudice is finally out in the open. Nicely done.
My prejudice has been in the open since the beginning of this thread. That is why you guys all registered here to call me on it. See page 1 of this thread.
I always understood it to be about.
1 Having a good time (check!)
2. learning to use the old hardware. If all you are interested in are actually the static poses in a book - you're wasting your time.
Gav, this just confirms that you are not reading what people are writing here.
I'll remind you that a fair percentage of people in this thread are currently engaged in HEMA and are former sport fencers, myself included. I have also done kendo, kung fu and various other things, like many other people here.
Sport fencing does not hold any secret or sacred knowledge. We are fully aware of what can be learned from it and carried over to HEMA, and also where its limitations are and where we are on our own.
The primary purpose of HEMA is to reconstruct and practice lost European martial arts.
Some things in sport fencing are useful for the study of HEMA - learning foil for example is a great basis for 18thC smallsword. But learning epee would be a fairly useless basis for studying 16thC sword and buckler. You have to compare like with like. Kendo, for example, can certainly teach some things that sport fencing can not, though I would argue that these days you could learn those things even more quickly by attending a HEMA longsword class.
Tierce is a high outside line with the hand pronated. It's not a mystical move...
It is, but you have ignored my point. My point is that Tierce can take many different forms in different schools of fencing - to keep it basic, some military sabre styles had the arm held out extended and high, others kept the elbow near the ribs and the hand low. This is important - why? Because it relates to the 'useless' moulinette that you pointed out. An extended Tierce means that you must make a moulinette to power the sabre cut, a bent arm means you can give a solid direct cut, without the need for a moulinette. So a detail like whether you use a moulinette or not in part depends on what kind of engaging guard you use...
This is not covered by modern sport sabre at all, because in modern sport sabre all you are aiming to do it tap the opponent. Cutting something is very different, and so the action involved is very different and the tactical considerations are different. Sport fencing has a great big gaping hole in this regard.
Where are you based, next time I'm in your area I'll try and pop in. I think it'll be fun to have a go.
If you ask to attend my class in a polite way then I will be happy to admit you. My classes are easy to find, because this forum we are posting in is on my website