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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Hugh » 13 Jun 2011 18:42

long pommels?
I like the sound of that. Presumably they're made to increase the length of the grip..?
So, how long are they?
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Cutlery Penguin » 13 Jun 2011 23:05

Had a few of the new basket hits at training tonight, first impressions are very good indeed.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby craftyfighter » 14 Jun 2011 11:09

We also had a play with the new basket hilts down here...first impressions were very positive I must say.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 14 Jun 2011 19:18

Hugh wrote:long pommels?
I like the sound of that. Presumably they're made to increase the length of the grip..?
So, how long are they?


Hey Hugh!

Long time no see :D

Long pommels are here now: http://www.theknightshop.co.uk/catalog/ ... b7c7c453a9

They are double the length of the normal pommels and do make a difference.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 14 Jun 2011 19:19

Nice to hear all the positive feedback chaps :D glad we got there in the end
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Peter S » 14 Jun 2011 21:59

Any news on messers?

Also, check your PMs.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 15 Jun 2011 13:27

Peter S wrote:Any news on messers?



Like this one :D

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Can be used with standard or extended pommel to create a different grip length. All the parts are interchangeable with the rest of the range :D

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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby KeithFarrell » 15 Jun 2011 14:13

Those messers look excellent. Can you offer any idea as to how much they might cost and when they might be available?
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Bulot » 15 Jun 2011 16:37

Too bad these don't have the very distinctive pommel shape of a messer. :?
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby craftyfighter » 15 Jun 2011 18:22

Awesome...I like it, and unlike Bulot I'm cool with the pommel. But then I am a fan of falchions :D
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Phil C » 15 Jun 2011 18:44

Messers are the only Medieval weapon that intrigue me enough to dabble in early styles- maybe if I called it a "hanger", "cutlass" or even "big bowie" (some had 24" blades according to accounts) I could justify getting a pair :)
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Peter S » 15 Jun 2011 18:51

Dangermouse wrote:I am the world's worst with PMs - sorry about that


No problem, just wanted to be sure you'd seen it.

Liking the design.

Interested to know what length you're aiming for - the Soldat-esque 30"/24"blade or the 36"/30" or more that you see on the Marxbruder or the Hanwei Practical Langemesser (assuming they don't change that from the prototype).

Ditto on when/how much? questions too.

Bah, Johann! If you want a falchion, you can always slap the hilt parts from the single hander on. Let us have our shiny messer bits.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Cutlery Penguin » 15 Jun 2011 21:16

craftyfighter wrote:Awesome...I like it, and unlike Bulot I'm cool with the pommel. But then I am a fan of falchions :D


How cool would it be with a wheel pommel!
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Mink » 15 Jun 2011 22:09

Somehow I'm not convinced by the proportions on this one, seems to me that the handles are too long... Are they meant to be one-handed or rather two-handed ?

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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Peter S » 15 Jun 2011 22:39

Mink wrote:Somehow I'm not convinced by the proportions on this one, seems to me that the handles are too long... Are they meant to be one-handed or rather two-handed ?

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Yeah. I did a quick mock up of these compared to the Albions.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Andreas Engström » 15 Jun 2011 23:00

With the "long pommel" perhaps they are a bit overly long (although it's hard to really see from a picture, I would like a picture with someone's hand gripping it), but I prefer that to the IMHO a little too short grips on the Albion messer. Some of the hooking techniques with the pommel would be hard to perform with those.

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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 16 Jun 2011 08:48

As ever chaps, thanks for all the feedback - it is GREATLY appreciated. :D
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 16 Jun 2011 08:54

Mink wrote:Somehow I'm not convinced by the proportions on this one, seems to me that the handles are too long... Are they meant to be one-handed or rather two-handed ?

Regards,


Ha ha ha you are indeed correct :D

I posted this in a hurry yesterday and have just realised I posted the wrong picture! (note to self - only post when you have the time :D ).

We were playing around with different combinations of our standard parts and I have posted a picture of the messer with a Longsword grip. It should of course be pictured with a single hand grip bringing the proportions much better into line :D

Will post the correct pics this morning
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 16 Jun 2011 08:58

Andreas Engström wrote:With the "long pommel" perhaps they are a bit overly long


Yes, this is because it is featured with the long grip as well.
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Re: New Knight Shop Sparring Swords

Postby Dangermouse » 16 Jun 2011 09:06

Bulot wrote:Too bad these don't have the very distinctive pommel shape of a messer. :?


Problem is it means tooling another part. Given the problems I have had with toomakers (I am now on my 5th!) I am really loathed to create extra parts when they are not actually "needed" (I appreciate the style of pommel is used in some techniques - but it is in the minority).

Also a new pommel would need signifigant investment that we would eventually want to get our money back on. This would lead to a more expensive product.

The idea behind the range is to keep the costs of the products down. This is why we aim to make all the parts interchangable. The messer guards or instance will fit on a single hand blade making a cheap messer substitute for those who can't afford the blade as well.

Don't get me wrong - we will do a Messer Pommel eventually (and it will be cheap) but we feel that the money is better spent on other products at the moment.
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