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Postby the_last_alive » 24 Jul 2006 13:12

Can anyone point me to a good source for Buckler Guards, preferably 1500-1650, but earlier isn't a problem.
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Postby admin » 24 Jul 2006 13:28

If you mean the guard positions then check out Manciolino and Marozzo - I drew a little scetch of my interpretation of Manciolino's (as he described them and has no pictures), but one of the porta di ferro's is wrong and should have the point up rather than down:

http://test.fioredeiliberi.org/gallery2 ... temId=6983

You can find translation of Manciolino's book 1 here:
http://www.drizzle.com/~celyn/jherek/EngManc.pdf

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http://www.antique-swords.co.uk/

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Postby the_last_alive » 24 Jul 2006 13:38

Cool, thank you.
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Postby Jeff Gentry » 24 Jul 2006 16:09

This is MS I33.

http://freywild.ch/i33/i33en.html

It is an early source

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Postby swordflasher » 24 Jul 2006 17:28

And here it is, if the pages could move..
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=39675148629637802&q=sword+buckler

Matt's sketches look useful, coupled with the translation.

As well as suggestions already made, you could also try just using a single-hand sword on it's own to go through basic cuts, diagonally down, diagonally up, across at different levels and whatever else you can think of, including thrusts [paricularly to the face]..
Then firstly
a] go through it throwing the shield out to cover your sword hand when it's extended, and secondly go through it and
b] as the sword comes back between cuts, throw the shield out, pulling it back again as the sword cuts forward again. - like bicycle pedals.

I believe I33 says about the 'guards' something like - "These are the positions you'll find yourself in when fencing...'
You probably don't want to stand around in them while you're waiting for someone to hit you, though.

This might interest you - using a very small buckler as an adjunct to fencing, but with the shield held back and and the sword arm forward.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=240522209212974029
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Also there's some nice pictures here http://www.thearma.org/essays/SwordandBuckler.htm
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Postby Megalophias » 26 Jul 2006 04:34

Bolognese guards as interpreted by Tom Leoni - same style as Matt's sketches.

DiGrassi is also good - his buckler guards look like this.
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Postby scholadays » 26 Jul 2006 09:27

Megalophias wrote:Bolognese guards as interpreted by Tom Leoni - same style as Matt's sketches.

DiGrassi is also good - his buckler guards look like this.


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Postby xedric » 26 Jul 2006 10:10

Liechtenauer's Sword & Buckler Teachings By Keith P. Myers
http://www.thearma.org/essays/LeignitzerSandB.htm

Lignitzer’s Set-plays, By Keith Myers
http://www.thearma.org/essays/Leignitze ... tplays.htm
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Postby Szabolcs Waldmann » 15 Aug 2006 07:33

Hello alls,

this is a bit Off Topic, sorry.

Swordflasher, are you sure, that the song you put under your visit Dave Rawlings video, is 'Queens of the Stone Age - songs for the deaf' ? I got that song, but it's different. You see, I really liked that video, and I want to swap sound to a better quality and save it for the future.

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Postby Jon Barber » 16 Aug 2006 17:12

Another interpretation of the Bolognese guards:

http://www2.nau.edu/~wew/other/gr/
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Postby swordflasher » 17 Aug 2006 16:58

Hi Szab,

We're both right. It's from their album, 'Songs for the Deaf', and it's the first track, 'You think I'm not worth a dollar, but I feel like a millionaire'

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Szabolcs Waldmann wrote:Hello alls,

this is a bit Off Topic, sorry.

Swordflasher, are you sure, that the song you put under your visit Dave Rawlings video, is 'Queens of the Stone Age - songs for the deaf' ? I got that song, but it's different. You see, I really liked that video, and I want to swap sound to a better quality and save it for the future.

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