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Foil, Sabre - J. Domján - 1839

PostPosted: 03 Oct 2015 09:34
by Ulrich von L...n
This is the very first, known Hungarian fencing book, published in 1839. The Hungarian title is Ví-tan, which can be roughly translated as Fencology. The online version is available at ... 265529.pdf

and it has been uploaded by Sándor Németh. The book contains two sections: a) foil and b) sabre, and has rather decent illustrations.

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The file isn't available via the above link. Domjan's book can be found at: ... mjan-1839#

or via Google, search keywords: fencology scribd.

Many thanks to Chris Gordon for making it available!!! :-)

PostPosted: 03 Oct 2015 09:37
by Ulrich von L...n
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2015 05:33
by Ulrich von L...n
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Re: Foil, Sabre - J. Domján - 1839

PostPosted: 28 May 2018 14:49
by Sabs
I have recently taken some amount of incidental interest in this treatise as part of my research into Italian sabre fencing. This is due to the fact that the two guards described and illustrated in it seem to correspond almost exactly to Radaelli's guards of 3rd and 2nd.

By the time Giuseppe Cerri published his sabre treatise (1861), he names that first guard (Radaelli's guard of 3rd) the "Italian Guard", and other contemporary sources also describe it as either the "common" or Italian guard. The other guard Domján shows (what Radaelli would call guard of 2nd) starts to become fairly popular in Northern Italy after the first treatise on Radaelli's system was published in 1868.

Seeing as my Hungarian is limited to basic phrases, I haven't been able to determine if Domján lists any influences to his method or if he considers it to be a strictly Hungarian method. Are any Hungarian speakers able to provide any extra insight?