Bayonet fencing for the Swiss army; 1826; J.Wieland

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Bayonet fencing for the Swiss army; 1826; J.Wieland

Postby Ju » 26 Dec 2013 12:11

Manuel militaire pour l'instruction des officiers Suisses de toutes armes ou essai d'un système de défense pour la Confédération Helvétique.

Publié en 1826 par J-J. Paschoud à Genève et Paris
By Johannes Wieland, translate in french by Franz Kuenlin

http://books.google.fr/books/about/Manu ... uction_des.…

P.506, appendice 2.

It's the second oldest manual (specifically, the translation of the second oldest manual^^) talking about bayonet-fencing in Europe!
Very interesting!
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Re: Bayonet fencing for the Swiss army; 1826; J.Wieland

Postby admin » 21 Mar 2014 11:56

This isn't opening for me unfortunately :(

Ju wrote:It's the second oldest manual (specifically, the translation of the second oldest manual^^) talking about bayonet-fencing in Europe!
Very interesting!


Hmm, not sure of that - both Roworth and Gordon talk about the bayonet, though admitedly the former is talking about opposing the bayonet rather than using it. I'm amazed if there are not early French or German bayonet manuals? It seems that in Britain the French and Germans were considered more advanced in teaching bayonet fencing, so I find it surprising if the first one or two bayonet manuals are actually British.
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Re: Bayonet fencing for the Swiss army; 1826; J.Wieland

Postby Ju » 26 Mar 2014 11:20

Oh, it's just a shortcut : of course we can read few authors before Selmnitz and the swiss manual, (in French, we have PJF Girard who describe few bayonet conter) but the german Selmnitz wrote (and published) the first book exclusively dedicated for bayonet fencing, in 1825.

However i've few indices of some bayonnet manual print before this date, probably not really distibute, but we can't find where they are!
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Postby admin » 26 Mar 2014 14:25

Anthony Gordon gives a system of bayonet fencing in 1805 :)
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jFYOAAAAQAAJ
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