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The Sword Exercise - Wayne - 1850

PostPosted: 24 Apr 2009 20:43
by admin

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PostPosted: 04 Jan 2010 16:59
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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2015 19:39
by Max C.

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PostPosted: 15 Oct 2015 13:47
by MEversbergII
Max C. wrote:

Posted that up on Reddit recently; thought I'd linked it back here! Cheers!


Re: The Sword Exercise - Wayne - 1850

PostPosted: 15 Feb 2016 19:31
by mostlychimp
I'm out here in the boonies trying to learn saber on my own, and since I'm a Yankee who enjoys civil war history I figured this would be a good manual to start with.

I got through the footwork just fine, but the descriptions of how to hold the saber in, say, quinte are lacking (and what the heck is "half" quinte?). The few pictures leave quite a bit to the imagination as well.

I assume different styles hold the guards a little differently from each other. The manual says it's based off of "the system of La Boessiere," but I'm not finding that anywhere. Does anyone have a suggestion on what other sources would hold their guards the same as Wayne, that might have better descriptions and pictures?

Re: The Sword Exercise - Wayne - 1850

PostPosted: 16 Feb 2016 09:36
by Phil C
La Boessiere can be found here, though it only lightly touches on cutting weapons at the end and only mentions sabre specifically to say that the grip is much simpler than for the smallsword and can be too large for some people- ... &q&f=false

If you have the misfortune of not being able to read French then you'll have to wait for the full translation due out at the end of this year but in the meantime this is a rough of the "espadon" section for you which may help:

The espadon is a game which has its difficulties; it is not as complicated as that of the thrust; because it only has four positions, and weapons usually have eight. The guard is less difficult; the espadonner is upright on his legs, body inclined to the right side, a position convenient for stepping and breaking measure. Do not thrust from this position as the pose and the grace of the body do not have the same advantages than the positions required in the thrusting game. It is nevertheless very important to learn this exercise when one has already a good degree of force under arms, especially for a borderline pupil. The espadon is dangerous for those that do not understand it; it is a strongly traitorous game. The espadonner fights or must not fight the hand; it will be exposed while thrusting to the body; the danger is shared by the thruster who must oppose with the same game, and thrust as a consequence to the hand.
There are two actions in espadon, that of raising and that of giving the blow. The thruster only makes one, and since physically this is an advantage of speed, it follows there is less danger for him.
A fencer who learns the game of the espadon will know it in very little time; he will even become fearsome in blending the two games, which gives him the facility to skilfully use a cane in case of urgency and necessity.
A good fencer will always have very fine speed-of-eye and will be more resourceful than one who only knows the espadon. The pupil who began with the use of baskets will have more penalty in returning to the foil; the positions are different and large actions of the espadon are difficult to overcome in order to arrive at the use of the thrust, since the actions are contrary being fine and neat; for this reason that a good master often recommends a feint or other blow, to thus accustom the student to making them as close as possible to the heel of the sword without touching.
I engage thus young folk to begin with the thrust; they fence with a veritable advantage when it comes to espadon; and since a good espadonner must be lithe and nimble he must jump, make passes forward and backwards, all with speed and lightness; all this is a difficult execution for someone who does not have a supple body.
Important Observation
It will be dangerous for a thruster or an espadonner to run upon one another in order to touch the body; the thruster runs the risk of being cut on the arm or face; the espadonner by raising his hand will be made to stop for a second in his advance, his attack from above falling onto the hilt of the adversary’s foil. The espadon demands understanding and prudence, and a thruster has an equal need for this when in front of an espadonner. I said, in the article on assaults, that one cannot combat a game by taking the same positions. After this principle it follows that the espadonner must only thrust at the hand; the fencer in this case has the advantage, then the thrust is good, faster than a falling blow which takes two actions. The thruster, without giving his blade, must with his guard low, attack the hand and use false times intending to present it. Every thrust must be launched like the paws of a cat, that is to say by withdrawing the hand afterwards; if the thruster aims to develop to touch the body the espadonner, always upright and ready to leap or make a pass, one or other to the rear, and the arm or face of the thruster is found to be uncovered; it is thus essential to take an understanding of both games to know how to save oneself. After this instruction, by seeing a fencer come on guard, one can by his position judge what he is himself going to do.