Sigmund Ringeck - circa 1510 (not 1450)

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Sigmund Ringeck - circa 1510 (not 1450)

Postby Paul B » 20 Apr 2009 15:48

.... or I could be completely wrong.

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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - 1450

Postby bigdummy » 26 Sep 2010 23:25

Does anybody have a translation of this, Lindholm or otherwise, in English?

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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - 1450

Postby Michael Chidester » 27 Sep 2010 01:45

Aye.

Wiktenauer Article: http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Codex_Ringeck_(MS_Dresd.C.487)

Translation of Sigmund Schining ein Ringeck: http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Sigmund_von_Ein_Ringeck

For print resources, see:

* Lindholm, David and Svard, Peter. Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword. Boulder, CO: Paladin Press, 2003. ISBN 978-1-58160-410-8
* Lindholm, David and Svard, Peter. Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Arts of Combat. Boulder, CO: Paladin Press, 2006. ISBN 978-1-58160-499-3
* Tobler, Christian Henry. Secrets of German Medieval Swordsmanship. Highland Village, TX: Chivalry Bookshelf, 2001. ISBN 1-891448-07-2
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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - 1450

Postby Dierk Hagedorn » 27 Sep 2010 08:15

I am awfully sorry, but I am afraid this topic has to be moved to the 16th century treatises.

As it seems, the old dating (see: Martin Wierschin, Meister Johann Liechtenauer's Kunst des Fechtens, 1965) was faulty. Upon closer and recent inspection, the manuscript shows a watermark (ox head with a rod in single outline with a cross) that indicates a date between 1504 and 1519.

Here's a link to the German "Handschriftencensus", a summary of German medieval texts.
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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - 1450

Postby Michael Chidester » 27 Sep 2010 08:27

Dierk Hagedorn wrote:I am awfully sorry, but I am afraid this topic has to be moved to the 16th century treatises.

As it seems, the old dating (see: Martin Wierschin, Meister Johann Liechtenauer's Kunst des Fechtens, 1965) was faulty. Upon closer and recent inspection, the manuscript shows a watermark (ox head with a rod in single outline with a cross) that indicates a date between 1504 and 1519.

Here's a link to the German "Handschriftencensus", a summary of German medieval texts.

What are you sorry for? That's great news. The more details about these manuscripts we can nail down the better.

This means that this copy of Ringeck might actually post-date the copy in Glasgow; it also confirms what most of us suspected: that it's not the original text of Ringeck's gloss. Hopefully that manuscript still survives somewhere and will yet be found.
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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - circa 1510 (not 1450)

Postby admin » 27 Sep 2010 08:36

Thanks Dierk! I have updated the title and moved to the 16thC.
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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - circa 1510 (not 1450)

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Re: Sigmund Ringeck - circa 1510 (not 1450)

Postby KeithFarrell » 03 Feb 2011 17:17

My own translation to English of the MS Dresden C487:
http://www.historical-academy.co.uk/reports/keithfarrell/Ringeck%20Longsword.pdf

(the Swedish translation was done by Andreas Engström, I translated from his work)
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