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Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Ian Thomas » 08 Jun 2015 11:26

Hello all

New to the forum, loving the wealth of knowledge on here.

I'm over in the uk and would like to begin studying the Liechtenauer style of longsword in my spare time , i have studied traditional japanese kenjutsu, fillipino martial arts and also modern fencing and competed reasonable well when I was younger.. However in particular the modern fencing left a massive void for me and now wish to study an historical western sword art.

Anyhow enough rambling on I was wondering if anyone could advise on the following
Book or books to give me a good start in any of the Liechtenauer styles
DVDs (to go with)
Training weapons, steel and or synthetic/wood

Available for shipping to the uk if not uk based

Many thanks appreciate it
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Herbert » 09 Jun 2015 06:54

Ian Thomas wrote:Anyhow enough rambling on I was wondering if anyone could advise on the following
Book or books to give me a good start in any of the Liechtenauer styles
DVDs (to go with)
Training weapons, steel and or synthetic/wood

Available for shipping to the uk if not uk based

Many thanks appreciate it

Sorry, I don't see any books/DVDs in your post.

There are a few books to recommend…not selflessly I'd recommend this one :wink: :roll: :

http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Fighting-In ... midt+sword

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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby KeithFarrell » 09 Jun 2015 10:54

Ian Thomas wrote:Anyhow enough rambling on I was wondering if anyone could advise on the following:
Book or books to give me a good start in any of the Liechtenauer styles


Hi Ian. My book, the AHA German Longsword Study Guide, has been receiving several positive reviews and is the best selling title from Fallen Rook Publishing. It may be quite useful to help you get started with Liechtenauer's longsword.
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Inthe Meantime » 09 Jun 2015 17:03

The two previous overly humble authors are what I would recommend. I have reviewed both. Together they make an almost perfect intro.
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby KeithFarrell » 09 Jun 2015 21:34

Inthe Meantime wrote:The two previous overly humble authors are what I would recommend. I have reviewed both. Together they make an almost perfect intro.


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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Ian Thomas » 09 Jun 2015 23:10

Many thanks for all the suggestions people , appreciate it
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Herbert » 10 Jun 2015 15:38

Inthe Meantime wrote:The two previous overly humble authors are what I would recommend. I have reviewed both. Together they make an almost perfect intro.

Thank you very much…I almost went red.
Your praise is very much appreciated.

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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Lidsman » 23 Jan 2016 09:44

How does "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword" by my countrymen stand in comparrison with the works of the two gentlemen above?

http://www.amazon.com/Sigmund-Ringecks- ... 1581606885
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby KeithFarrell » 23 Jan 2016 18:39

Lidsman wrote:How does "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword" by my countrymen stand in comparrison with the works of the two gentlemen above?

http://www.amazon.com/Sigmund-Ringecks- ... 1581606885


I can't answer for Herbert's book, but I can tell you how this one compares with my book :)

This is a translation of one single source, accompanied by the author's interpretation of how it all works. Both the translation and the interpretation are a bit dated - mainly because Lindholm was one of the first to publish on the subject, so it is still of interest, but there are maybe some other more up-to-date works on the subject.

My book, the AHA German Longsword Study Guide, is a broad look at several sources, trying to piece together where we get our information about each different technique and concept. Therefore, it's more of a general synthesis, describing what the sources (in general) say about the different elements of the longsword system. The translations are my own, and to be honest there are probably better translations out there, and there is very little by way of interpretation in the book - the purpose is to show the information that we possessed on the subject (in 2013) so that people could make their own informed decisions about how to interpret everything. So, a slightly different purpose!

Naturally, I would recommend my book if you have an interest in the scholarly side of things, or if you are interested in the sources from which we draw our information. If you are more interested in having an interpretation of the system to work with and learn, then Lindholm's book is a reasonable start, as long as you are aware that the information and interpretation are somewhat out of date.
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Lidsman » 23 Jan 2016 20:46

Thank's for you answer Keith. I have Linbloms book (bought it back in 2005 I belive) and it's just about what I need right now. Something to start to train with. Are there any other books that two chaps with wooden wasters can begin with?

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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby zefron » 24 Jan 2016 08:19

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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Lidsman » 29 Jan 2016 19:10

@Herbert, just got your SF2. Excelent book! If your book about the longsword anything like this one I'll order it ASAP! The pictures are good and the sequenses are easy enought to follow. I bow to you good sir!
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Herbert » 01 Feb 2016 07:35

Lidsman wrote:@Herbert, just got your SF2. Excelent book! If your book about the longsword anything like this one I'll order it ASAP! The pictures are good and the sequenses are easy enought to follow. I bow to you good sir!

Thank you very much, I'm flattered. Glad that it found your approval.
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Lidsman » 01 Feb 2016 07:56

Herbert wrote:
Lidsman wrote:@Herbert, just got your SF2. Excelent book! If your book about the longsword anything like this one I'll order it ASAP! The pictures are good and the sequenses are easy enought to follow. I bow to you good sir!

Thank you very much, I'm flattered. Glad that it found your approval.


So much that I bought SF1 the same day :)
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Herbert » 02 Feb 2016 15:26

Lidsman wrote:So much that I bought SF1 the same day :)

:D Well, thank you again!
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Lidsman » 02 Feb 2016 15:42

Herbert wrote:
Lidsman wrote:So much that I bought SF1 the same day :)

:D Well, thank you again!


When will you publish SF3 about the Bolognan school? :D
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Re: Starting out in Liechtenauer

Postby Herbert » 03 Feb 2016 07:22

Sorry to disappoint…not my field of work. :(

At the moment I am working on several projects simultaneously. Don't know which one will be ready first.
But it's going to be some time. After all, my Book of the Buckler just got published.
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